$3.50 a Gallon this Summer?

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timwagon said:
$3.25 / gal for ULSD here on Long Island, local Hess stations. I notice a much larger spread in diesel prices then gas prices, with some stations 30-40 cents higher than Hess.

Not sure how to figure out relative quality of diesel, as the stations I've seen all just have the ULSD sticker and the "cetane 40" sticker.

I am averaging about 2mpg higher on my second tank than my first, probably due to my new car break-in, and higher average temperatures.
__. Tim, where you are a lot of the diesel is actually Hess - refined at their refinery in the Caribbean (no matter what the name says on the sign out front) and it's consistently "pretty good" ordinary ULSD fuel. It's even more so where I am because there's no pipeline service here. The way the diesel is sold and traded and swapped around, there's probably no difference in anything that you can buy. (Of course, if you can find "Premium" diesel that's really premium-quality and not just a jacked up price, that's a different story.)

__. Buy from a station that seems to sell a good bit of diesel (you want "turn-over" in those tanks), run that for 3 tanks or so, then try another place that's convenient to you. If you see a difference (smoothness, easier starting, power, smoke), go with the better one. But you probably won't see a difference so go with the cheaper one.
 

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Hi, I'm over in Scotland UK and our diesel is about £6 a gallon which I think is about $10 and it's all just tax. I dont know what the government does with the money cause there's plenty of potholes.
 

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Too Much!

:)

According to the site I used, you are close at 6.00 GBP = 9.22620 USD

Is Scottish money different? :confused:

Whatever, it is simply too much to be sure! :eek:

To think I was upset paying $3.209 per gallon today. No longer am I upset. :(

:D
 

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We are up to 3.20 in Pittsburgh. I expect over 3.50 before the end of summer. Funny since diesel should be more available/cheaper in the summer due to lack of of need for HHO and kerosene. Here we go again :)
 

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dieselfuel said:
There's plenty of oil right here in the USA and everywhere else in the world. It's everywhere. [....] Oil is a by-product produced by emzymes deep within the earth. [....] Don't believe the crap you learned in school about oil being made from dead trees and dinosaurs. It's non-sense.
Universal suffrage seemed like such a good idea at the time.
 
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Stirer said:
We are up to 3.20 in Pittsburgh. I expect over 3.50 before the end of summer. Funny since diesel should be more available/cheaper in the summer due to lack of of need for HHO and kerosene. Here we go again :)
:)

It's not supply and demand. It's what the oil companies are paying for crude.

With the price of crude going up all the time and currently at $85 per barrel, what do you expect? :confused:

See: http://www.oil-price.net/

As the price of crude continues to rise, so will not only D2 do likewise, but also that other fuel.
What's it called? :confused:

:D
 

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I just filled up in Franklin MA at one of my two usual fuel stations. This one was a Hess and it was $3.06/gallon.

Then, asshamedly I bought 3 gallons of premium gas for my John Deere lawn tractor lol!
 

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talltacoma said:
I believe fuel will hit $5 this summer with the BP oil leak.
Please tell me how the blow out will affect supply? This was a test well, no oil was ever produced for the market.

Thought it was supply and demand that set prices? At least that is what I was told in Econ 101.

Real issue is that it is not actual supply and actual demand. We have investors figuring/betting/guessing, or what ever. They have an out sized influence on the futures market and that drives others into or out of the market.

So what we see driving oil prices is "figuring/betting/guessing/anticipating" of supply and demand based on West Texas crude or Brent crude.

Not much to do with real supply and real demand.
 

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The oil leak blocks ships paths to the refineries.

Supply and demand is easily dwarfed by the speculators. We see many instances of over supply while costs continue to increase.
 

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I concur with the Oil Spill issue which is an excuse to raise prices all the way along to the consumer. Also there was discussion last week about halting ALL offshore oil production on platforms that are within x miles of the US coastlines. If this happens we will be in for a real big treat on prices!:eek:
Yet again we are far cheaper than all European countries however the build in taxes, even though they are not used to fix the potholes they are apparently used for social services ... which brings us back to universal health-care here in the US! :p
 

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Yuck... my Shell station here in Central NC just went to $3.059. I'm not even going to chime in on the oil spill / oil prices increasing saga. I didn't take my heart medicine today! :p
 

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09R/T said:
LOL....oh my silly friend....it is not free.

I pay more tax per year then the average canadian family, and american family make combined....and guess where it goes?? To fund some useless "healthcare" that in order to fully utilize, an insurance program such as blue cross must be purchased.

I say get rid of this stupid "universal healthcare" and shove it some liberal butts....the blue cross alone will cover what I need, at a far lower cost!!

Trust me my american friends....get rid of that useless lump of a government you currently have...or you too will lose more than half your income to pay for the useless idiot down the street.:mad:
Based on this post.......I think I might like some Canadians:D
 

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Having several family members treated and cured of their cancer with no out of pocket expense. I find this very offensive. My wife and I make well over $125,000 a year combined and pay more in taxes in a single year then most make. I for one don't mind. My money goes to help people in need. Either heath care or income assistance. Sure the system isn't perfect, but it's better than being left to die because you don't have money! Shameful!

Come on down off that horse now, please.
It is good that you feel that way and if you choose to contribute to the good for nothing crackhead down the street. Good on ya Mate, as far as I am concerned there is nothing in the U.S. Constitituion that says healthcare is a "right" . I have worked long and hard throughout my life. I have sacrificed time with my family, I have done the right thing and made the right choices when doing something different would have been a lot easier and often a lot more fun.

Based on these choices I have made myself and my familly comfortable financially. I fail to see why I should take from my family to provide for someone else who refuses to make the hard(correct) life choices and make some sacifices for their own welfare. I pay more in taxes than many people make. You know why I make so much? Because I work my ass off. I leave the comfort of my home and the love of my family to go out and EARN my money, currently I am gone from home for 5 weeks. I feel no, NONE, NADA obligation to provide for anyone else through the forceful strong arm tactics of the federal goveremnt to enslave more and more people by making them totally dependent on goverment programs to provide for their every need.

You know what's wrong with socialism? Eventually you will run out of other people's money to spend.

NO JOB, NO MONEY= NO HEALTHCARE!!! The only exceptions, the elderly, children and disabled persons. Simply because they do not have the abilty to provide for themselves. See we are not hearltless, we simply believe that you should be responsible for yourself.
 
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Just a little aside on the oil spil in the gulf before someone starts pointing fingers and saying I told you so about drilling. This picture was taken less than 3 miles from my house. The oil is on its way here it's already within 150 miles of us.

The tradgedy that is about to befall this country trancends all petty disagreements on whether or not we should drill. We should all be focused on preventing further damage and insisting that better methods be used to prevent this from ever happening again. I nearly cry when I think of what is coming to our shores.

The oil is 150 miles from this where this pic was taken....one good long southwest wind and it's here.


 

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price of fuel and energy has nothing to do with the president. It has to do with donations and lobbying. Anyone read about the mudslinging and fingerpointing going on on that oil spill?
 

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whizznbyu said:
price of fuel and energy has nothing to do with the president. It has to do with donations and lobbying.
So Wall St market speculation has nothing to do with the run up in oil prices? World demand is reportedly down, supplies are high but the price keeps going up? That's not how the free market is supposed to work.
 

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price of fuel and energy has nothing to do with the president.
So, I had to listen to people telling me that BS for 8 years, while Bush was in office, for nothing? :p
 

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mirage2521 said:
It is good that you feel that way and if you choose to contribute to the good for nothing crackhead down the street. Good on ya Mate, as far as I am concerned there is nothing in the U.S. Constitituion that say healthcare is a "right" . I have worked long and hard throughout my life. I have sacrificed time with my family, I have done the right thing and made the right choices when doing something different would have been a lot easier and often a lot more fun.

Based on these choices I have made myself and my familly comfortable financially. I fail to see why I should from my family to provide for someone else refuses to make that hard(correct) life choices and make some sacifices for their own welfare. I pay more in taxes than many people make. You know why I make so much? Because I work my ass off. I leave the comfort of my home and the love of my family to go out and EARN my money. I feel no, NONE, NADA obligation to provide for anyone else though the forceful strong arm tactics of the federal goveremnt to enslave more and more people by making the totally dependent of goverment programs to provide for their every need.

You know what's wrong with socialism? Eventually you will run out of other people's money to spend.

NO JOB, NO MONEY= NO HEALTHCARE!!! The only exceptions, the elderly children and diabled persons. Simply because they do not have the abilty to provide for themselves. See we are not hearltless, we simply believe the you should be responsible for yourself.
Thank you for posting this sir. Not only did god bless you with a good ethic, but also with the good common sense this country's lib's are sorely lacking.
 

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mirage2521 said:
It is good that you feel that way and if you choose to contribute to the good for nothing crackhead down the street. Good on ya Mate, as far as I am concerned there is nothing in the U.S. Constitituion that says healthcare is a "right" . I have worked long and hard throughout my life. I have sacrificed time with my family, I have done the right thing and made the right choices when doing something different would have been a lot easier and often a lot more fun.

Based on these choices I have made myself and my familly comfortable financially. I fail to see why I should take from my family to provide for someone else who refuses to make the hard(correct) life choices and make some sacifices for their own welfare. I pay more in taxes than many people make. You know why I make so much? Because I work my ass off. I leave the comfort of my home and the love of my family to go out and EARN my money, currently I am gone from home for 5 weeks. I feel no, NONE, NADA obligation to provide for anyone else through the forceful strong arm tactics of the federal goveremnt to enslave more and more people by making them totally dependent on goverment programs to provide for their every need.

You know what's wrong with socialism? Eventually you will run out of other people's money to spend.

NO JOB, NO MONEY= NO HEALTHCARE!!! The only exceptions, the elderly, children and disabled persons. Simply because they do not have the abilty to provide for themselves. See we are not hearltless, we simply believe that you should be responsible for yourself.
I think you need an attitude adjustment and/or someone to fault you for your vices that you've not disclosed.

Often times that crackhead entered a cycle after a pretty low point in their life. One that with proper preventative attention and care by, say, a parent or a mentor, would have changed their life forever.

I speak from experience in that. That said, I'm self-made, and have change for beggers as a line item of my budget.

Why? Been there. Have you? Changes your perception, once you lose that "It can't happen to me" mentality.

Pay it forward and take only what you NEED.
 

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kcfoxie said:
I think you need an attitude adjustment and/or someone to fault you for your vices that you've not disclosed.

Often times that crackhead entered a cycle after a pretty low point in their life. One that with proper preventative attention and care by, say, a parent or a mentor, would have changed their life forever.

I speak from experience in that. That said, I'm self-made, and have change for beggers as a line item of my budget.

Why? Been there. Have you? Changes your perception, once you lose that "It can't happen to me" mentality.

Pay it forward and take only what you NEED.
Pay it forward and take only what you need?

Is that like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

I have bought countless meals for countless homeless, I don't give them money, I give them food. You are still missing the point, CHARITY IS VOLUNTARY!!! It is not the role of goverment to forcefully take from one citizen and give to another. Have you noticed that as an overall percentage charitable contributions are at an all time low. Ever wonder why in the worlds most generous country charitable contricutions are down? It's not as a result of the economy, it started dropping immediately after "The One" made charitable contributions taxable. He thought it best that the goverment determine who gets what and when. So instead of me chossing what charity I want to give to my contributions too my contributions are now taxed, thereby reducing the amount of the contribution. This is done so the the goverment can dictate who gets what money.

48% of Americans pay absolutely NO income tax, 65% of Americans pay less than $100.00 dollars a year. I paid a good amount over $20,000 in taxes.

"Often times that crackhead entered a cycle after a pretty low point in their life. One that with proper preventative attention and care by, say, a parent or a mentor, would have changed their life forever" I am quoting you.

Exactly my point, it is the role of friends and family to intervene in the crackheads life. It is NOT my responsibility, my wife, my children and my Mother are my responsiblities not joe crackhead or Sharmilata or Sandi Jo who don't know who her Baby Daddy is. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. If you hold people responsible for their actions they learn that actions have consequences, if they are not held responsible they learn that choices, no matter how bad, don't have consequences.

You ask have I been there? Hell yes, I grew up there, I raised myself and my two sisters because my Mother worked 16 hours a day as a convenience store clerk to pay for our roof and our food. I was forced to quit school at age 16 to contribute to our family income. I could'nt care less what circumstances caused whatever leech you want to bring up to become a parasite feeding off of our society. I have no sympathy for someone who has no desire to ever do anything with their life besides suck from the goverment tit. Do you catch the reoccuring theme here?

It's work, and sacrifice and assuming responsibility.

I am sorry, you can take your utopian, socialist agenda and pay for it your self. I for one will do all I can to stop this country from becoming what you seem to want it to be.
 
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Derrel H Green said:
did a simple discussion of fuel prices degrade to this! :(
__. Yup, political opinions is like *******s - everybody has got one but nobody likes somebody else's rubbed in his face! :D
 

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dieselyeti said:
(snip) That's not how the free market is supposed to work.
__. Yeah, "free market" my big ole fat hairy redneck ass! This last week, price of crude fell 10% on the "Greek crisis"; if it had be up 10% because some rag-head sheik farted, then prices would have been up before sunrise. What's happened to retail prices after the drop this week??? Sweet F A!
 

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El Dobro said:
So, I had to listen to people telling me that BS for 8 years, while Bush was in office, for nothing? :p
Come on man, you live in NJ. Obviously you knew that was B/S. Same as Corzine being a great governor. Same as Christie hating teachers. People use the scapegoat method all the time.
 

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kcfoxie said:
I think you need an attitude adjustment and/or someone to fault you for your vices that you've not disclosed.

Often times that crackhead entered a cycle after a pretty low point in their life. One that with proper preventative attention and care by, say, a parent or a mentor, would have changed their life forever.

I speak from experience in that. That said, I'm self-made, and have change for beggers as a line item of my budget.

Why? Been there. Have you? Changes your perception, once you lose that "It can't happen to me" mentality.

Pay it forward and take only what you NEED.
Many beggers are scam artists who live in million dollar homes. Many do not want to be rescued. Rather than give them change offer to buy them a hot meal. Many will decline and ask for money. This has happened to me in Newark, Philly and NYC several times over the years.
 
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