.205 Nozzles on stock clutch

[CanadianALH]

My clutch has 274,000 miles on it. Would it be safe to upgrade to .205 nozzles with this many miles? I had one of those Bully dog power adder chips on there and my clutch was slipping at WOT. I would like to replace my nozzles for the added power and because of the age of the car. Would it be foolish to get these nozzles before a clutch or would they be safer than that chip?

 

[454k30]

You can put the nozzles in at any time, but the clutch will still slip at the higher power levels. The stock clutch in good condition doesn't hold much more than stock power. So ideally, you would do the clutch first and then the nozzles - and then the tuning to go with the nozzles at the same time. Is it foolish? Not really. Is it worth it? Not really. If your clutch slips you will be unable to enjoy/use any of that power. A good SMF clutch is really one of the best first upgrades we can do on these cars.

 

[PakProtector]

A 275k mile clutch is going to be well into the portion of the grip v wear graph where it is only declining as wear proceeds. Also, the DMF is likely to be getting a bit of wear and a SMF is decidedly preferable anyway.

Bigger nozzles( vs stock ) are going to flow more fuel, and the ECU making turbo vane/boost decisions based on fueling will be working on lower-than-actual numbers. This is not conducive to good boost control. Soooo, even for the 'one step up' nozzles a good tune will be helpful. Burpod to the rescue...

So get a solid clutch.

Douglas

 

[CanadianALH]

Is there a more cost effective clutch step up? South bend is a little pricy, g60/vr6 looks like a good combo but again Tq numbers are a little iffy as what it will hold. Along with is there any way to source your parts for that combo. Can't seem to figure out what flywheel works and what Vr6 clutch is best.

 

[CanadianALH]

Would something like this hold my power needs? MU722111SK. Just want nozzles and a tune, hopefully stage 3. Other option is a Luk17-050 it will hold 260Ft/lbs which is right about where the nozzles and stage three will put me. Both are affordable options.

 

[P2B]

You can put the nozzles in at any time, but the clutch will still slip at the higher power levels. The stock clutch in good condition doesn't hold much more than stock power.

We have two ALHs which have been running PP520 nozzles and RC3 on OE clutches for several hundred thousand km in total with no slippage.

Definitely budget for a new clutch, but you may not need it.

 

[pkhoury]

Is there a more cost effective clutch step up? South bend is a little pricy, g60/vr6 looks like a good combo but again Tq numbers are a little iffy as what it will hold. Along with is there any way to source your parts for that combo. Can't seem to figure out what flywheel works and what Vr6 clutch is best.

You'd probably be fine with a VR60 clutch. I think those are good up to about 225ft lbs, and a stock ALH is what, like 150-160ft lb? I don't remember what stock injectors are - like .160 or .180, depending on whether they were in a manual or auto originally? DSEL is at .260, and my other ALHs are all .240, but I'm also using a clutch good to 425ft lb.

As for @burpod, DSOL is my 2000 Golf and while it has .240's, I still haven't yet pulled the transmission to both replace the cluch (PO put a crappy $100 chinese ebay clutch on) and rear main seal. I still think you'd be fine with the G60/VR6 clutch, but if you went the custom tune route with Guthrie, it can be tuned down some so it's not putting out crazy torque.

You mention Stage 3 - stock turbo, or upgraded? I've come to the realization that Stage X means nothing to me, given how generic everyone else's tunes are, and how hardware varies so much between cars.

 

[PakProtector]

I think the Sachs VR6 disc and PP is rated to 300 ft lbs. All VR6 are not created equal. The 17-050 is definitely a lower capacity clutch. The LUK is a very smooth item though, and pedal nearly presses itself...LOL

My uprated clutch( past the VR6 ) is an ACT VR1-HDMM and it is rated for 340 on a sprung, full disc. I am not fond of SB's warranty requirements that some approved installer put it in for their warranty to be good. Not that I have heard many stories about a failure getting covered either... The ACT is going on my BEW shortly. And it will get turned up... Run the numbers on it, 2180 pounds on their PP.

Douglas

 

[CleverUserName]

BRM with stage II with give a 17-050 flywheel shudder under moderate throttle.

VR6/G60 will handle an ALH stage II with .216 nozzles. I believe 325 lb/ft is the number. Cascade German had the best deal on this kit by far a couple years ago.