2023 emissions update on a Mk6 TDI?

[FJ40Jim]

My 2012 Mk6 JSW TDI has been really boring for most of it's un-fixed life. Had the intake manifold flap code around 120K miles, did the actuator arm mod and haven't had any engine problems since. Until recently. At 160k miles it now has a permanent CEL and codes for plugged up EGR filter and DPF. Power & MPG is down slightly from where it was for the first 150K miles. My wife (primary driver of this car) has recently early retired and now that the 70mi/day work commute is gone, the car is doing 3 or 4 10-15mi errand runs each week, which is hell on a TDI with DPF.
It doesn't make sense to keep this car for the current use case. Thinking of selling the TDI for a PHEV or EV for the in town shopping trip and keeping the recently dieselgated M-B bluetec for longer trips and towing duty.

My questions for the forum:
Is the dieselgate Fix still available from VW?
Should the car get the fix & warranty, then sell at our leisure, or just sell for less today with the CEL on?

 

[pedroYUL]

Plug your VIN here and see if your car is still eligible:

VW Emissions Modification Lookup

www.vwdieselinfo.com

 

[oilhammer]

I think the ship has sailed on that, and besides, they wouldn't "fix" them if they were broken, and yours is broken.

 

[FJ40Jim]

Plug your VIN here and see if your car is still eligible:

VW Emissions Modification Lookup

www.vwdieselinfo.com

It says eligible, contact dealer to schedule service.
But we also know people are waiting on dieselgate repair parts, like DPFs or cats, so parts might not really be available.

 

[FJ40Jim]

I think the ship has sailed on that, and besides, they wouldn't "fix" them if they were broken, and yours is broken.

You're saying the DPF which is under warranty woul need replaced before it's replaced under warranty? That doesn't make sense, which means it's quite possible in VW land.

 

[oilhammer]

Exactly, is doesn't make sense.

 

[pedroYUL]

@FJ40Jim : how much for that JSW?

 

[x1800MODMY360x]

The fix will make it even less fun than it is.

Also the warranty isn't all cracked up as it is.

 

[FJ40Jim]

The fix will make it even less fun than it is.

Also the warranty isn't all cracked up as it is.

I am aware of both of those facts, which is why it was not fixed previously.
But I think it's more sellable with a crappy warranty and the CEL not on constantly.

Spoke to the VW dealer service department (yuck) who said it is still eligible for the recall, but he can't order the parts until there is a repair order with the VIN. So I hafta drop it off, let them write a RO, order the recall kit and wait. The paperwork at VWDieselinfo.com says the dealer has to supply a loaner at no cost to me (it's claimed as a warranty expense by the dealer to be paid by VWoA on the warranty claim.) But I don't believe that will actually happen.

Before any of that can happen I hafta get a functional stock airbox. Mine had an accident whereby the ram air pressure was increased and warm air intake was deleted with prejudice.

 

[turbodieseldyke]

You hate to hear someone dieselgating an unmolested car. Hopefully you get a backup of the ecu before they neuter it.

 

[oilhammer]

They can be tuned back, it isn't that big of a deal. However, I'm waiting to hear what they say once the car is actually there.

 

[turbodieseldyke]

I know it "can" be, but afaik there's no repository out there with original tunes. That's why i say this guy needs to back his up & preserve it like a monk living on a Greek cliffside monastery. Otherwise he'll need to find a darkweb site in Belarus (which likely will have all Euro versions but no USA code) or buy it "back" from some shyster tuner who didn't write VW's code, but simply copied it.

I've seen the issue discussed here once, but it went nowhere.

 

[oilhammer]

Well I would say, the "tuners" all have the original US spec flash file, but as we've more recently found out, some of the tuners have vanished. But it isn't that hard to find, and the folks that haven't ghosted us still have all that stuff. I've had many of my customers do just that. The tricky part of course is, the warranty may get voided but so far that has never come up and most of them have blown past the warranty by now anyway.

 

[FJ40Jim]

Either way, it's gonna need deleted & tuned. It's just a question of doing it soon, before the DPF is so restricted that the car goes into limp. Or get it 'fixed', buying some time to save up for Buzzken exhaust & a reflash.

 

[FJ40Jim]

My final post in this thread: Sold the car to Pedro so I don't have to deal with the recurring emissions problems related to constant short trip operation.
Thanks to all the great posters on this forum over the last 20 years of TDI operation!

 

[pedroYUL]

This JSW has gone in the dealer (VW of Ann Arbor) today for the dieselgate fix. It had no active MIL illuminated, but I could see a pending "EGR insufficient flow" error. Actually, from late Dec till now, the MIL showed a couple of times (and went away on its own) with just that EGR code.

In any case, I will report back here on what the dealer had to say after the job.

 

[MrCypherr]

As long as there is a code stored in the module, there should be no issues with proceeding with warranty work. There is a TSB for that code which basically says replace the DPF and low-side EGR tube.

 

[pedroYUL]

Ah, but the kicker is that this car has never been touched by dieselgate. Dealer warned me that if I brought it in with the CEL on, then I could be on the hook for whatever else...but the lamp was off!

I asked the guy if it was getting a new DPF (161k miles), and he couldn't tell me, he just repeated the line item: whatever modification kit from VW.

 

[KevinGary]

You never got the fix in order to trigger the warranty? I got the fix at the last moment just to trigger the warranty and buy-back provisions. I think the deadline for triggering the warranty may have been back in 2021. Hopefully I am mistaken.

 

[pedroYUL]

This car is new to me, but yes, the fix has never been applied to this car. We will see if I do get the extended warranty, website says: " This vehicle DOES NOT have an Extended Emissions Warranty as our records indicate it still requires an approved emissions modification", so perhaps when the dealer puts it in the system, it triggers it.

It will be probably the very last gen 1 to get modified and warranty extended.

 

[MrCypherr]

So it can go one of two ways;

1, Since the DPF doesnt get replaced as part of the dieselgate fix, then you'd be on the hook for repairing any items that have brought on the CEL and/or is stored in the module. Because to do the software update part, there has to be no faults in the system.

or 2, they clear the faults before the work is performed using ODB and not a GFF log, then perform the work and then perform the software update. Then youd wait until the fault comes back to get the work performed. Sometimes this is hit or miss because VW can see if faults have been cleared due to a counter and mileage. So I've heard.

 

[pedroYUL]

Gen1 doesn't get DPF replaced as part of the fix? Gen 3 does, depending on mileage as 2nd part of the fix.

 

[MrCypherr]

Yeah Gen1 just gets a revised low side EGR pipe, New NOx cat, exhaust flap and rear o2 sensor with a software update. Gen3 is a whole different game.

 

[x1800MODMY360x]

There was a 2009 Touareg TDI for sale that had 235k miles and got the fix 3 years ago @ 215k miles.

I called a dealer with the vin to verify if it still have the emissions warranty, it did but the price was too high for me and I pass it.

 

[pedroYUL]

You never got the fix in order to trigger the warranty? I got the fix at the last moment just to trigger the warranty and buy-back provisions. I think the deadline for triggering the warranty may have been back in 2021. Hopefully I am mistaken.

I didn't have a dieselgate car back when it blew up, but I think I recall the deadline was for the buy back, not necessarily for the fix.

 

[MrCypherr]

I know some people recently the last couple months have gotten the fix done AND they had high mileage. Seems like they were playing it risky holding out without getting a CEL.

 

[pedroYUL]

I know some people recently the last couple months have gotten the fix done AND they had high mileage. Seems like they were playing it risky holding out without getting a CEL.

I did buy this car from Jim knowing that if the dealer, for whatever reason, tried to get out of the fix or charge me, then I could tackle the job myself. So far they haven't contacted back, so I guess things are progressing on their end.

Same dealership did the part 2 on my gen3 Passat, and it took the best part of a whole week. The CVCA did have a MIL on, with emissions related codes, but part 1 already done and warranty active.

 

[MrCypherr]

I dont see why they wouldnt do the fix. There is no reason why they shouldnt unless like I said, there is a code in there that isnt related to the parts getting fixed. Its not a bad job either especially if they are slow.

 

[pedroYUL]

Well...my local dealership Maplehill in Kalamazoo plain refused to entertain the idea of fixing this car, so YMMV

 

[MrCypherr]

Maybe things are different in the US but here, there isnt a reason why we wouldnt fix it. Dealership gets paid, Tech gets paid. I dont see the issue lol. Unless they are picking and choosing jobs, which I know some dealers do.