2013 Passat TDI SEL Premium - Won't Shut Off!

Ewing

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So I get home from work Friday evening and shut the car off. I'd been driving with the city & fog lights on as I usually do but forgot to turn them off when I got out of the car so the lights stayed on. I never touched the car on Saturday as I used my wife's car. Come Sunday afternoon when I went to make a Home Depot run the car's battery was dead of course. I saw where I had left the light switch and realized it was my fault. I thought no big deal, just jump it.

Take jumper cables from my wife's car onto the Passat and let my wife's car run a little bit while it gave the Passat a charge. I got a little too impatient and after a few minutes I pressed the start button on the Passat and I heard the natural clicking sound you hear when you try to start a car with a battery that doesn't have enough juice so I gave it a few more minutes. I try to hit the start button again and after some clicking complaints again it actually fired up. I thought great...Let it sit idling for a while so the alternator can charge up the battery before I head out. At this point the CEL, TPMS and Traction Control lights are lit up but after a dead battery I expected this and thought they would just go away once I got rolling. After idling 10 minutes I take off to Home Depot and sure enough after a few blocks the TPMS and Traction lights shut off but the CEL stays on. I figure it just needs to be cleared as something remained in the memory regarding the battery failure....Get to Home Depot, hit the start button to shut the car off and NOTHING. Car will not shut off. When I hit it once the steering lock light comes on, I hit the button again and the steering lock light comes off again but the car stays on. I walk out of the car with the key and the car won't respond to the key. Now I'm stumped. Luckily my VW dealer opens Sundays till 3PM and it was 1PM so I headed straight there.

When I got there I figured they must've seen this before but the service advisor and tech on duty were both stumped as well. The tech said he'd drive it back to the shop and would see if there was a way to shut it off through their scan tools but that I shouldn't worry, "they'd find a way". I got a loaner and left.

It's obvious to me that something about jump starting the car messed up the KESSY somehow? Anyone else seen this on this car? I searched around and couldn't find this happening to any other B7's.
 

Lightflyer1

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When this happens the battery should be removed and fully charged with a wall charger. It is hard on the alt to have to recharge a completely dead battery. These engine take a lot of power to turn over and a barely charged battery isn't going to do it. Low voltage conditions can cause a whole lot of issues. Remove the battery and fully charge it.
 

coowhip

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Why would you actually have to remove the battery? I've never heard of that needing to happen. Why not just use a trickle charger over night?
 

Ewing

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When this happens the battery should be removed and fully charged with a wall charger. It is hard on the alt to have to recharge a completely dead battery. These engine take a lot of power to turn over and a barely charged battery isn't going to do it. Low voltage conditions can cause a whole lot of issues. Remove the battery and fully charge it.
I completely agree. I was going to do that but couldn't find my charger and got impatient. Just a little late now for that and anxiously awaiting what happens next...Definitely wouldn't do it again with a completely dead battery.
 

Ewing

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Why would you actually have to remove the battery? I've never heard of that needing to happen. Why not just use a trickle charger over night?
Yeah I don't think you'd need to remove it per se, I think just meant it needed to actually be charged with a wall charger/trickle charger rather than jump it from a dead state like I did.
 

gforce1108

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I'm positive that I've read about a similar problem within the last couple of months - may not have been a TDI, but certainly on a NMS passat with push button start. In that case, they pulled fuses/relays until it turned off. I tried to search for it, but can't find it at the moment.
 

Lightflyer1

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Why would you actually have to remove the battery? I've never heard of that needing to happen. Why not just use a trickle charger over night?
I prefer it out of the car. Sometimes the acid leaks out when charging and I don't want that in the car.
 

Ewing

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Got the car back today...My receipt shows the following:

Performed GFF. Found code terminal 30 open circuit static and ECM, PCM relay de-energized performance too early static. Performed check power and ground and check signal to ECM is OK. Performed remove and replace relay terminal 30 power supply and erased all DTC operations. OK.

So I guess a blown relay...Let that be a lesson to the kids out there with KESSY. Don't jump start a completely dead battery (I knew better) and if your car won't shut off, check this relay.
 

vw_norm

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More likely the contacts got welded together from the high current/low voltage situation that developed with the low battery juice.
 

cevans

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Had a chuckle with this, took me back to the days of the older Mercedes diesels that wouldn't shut off. The air cutoff flap at the intake manifold was vacuum driven, and since everything else was vacuum driven too, the leaks would add up to the point where there wasn't enough vacuum to close the air flap. Result was the car wouldn't shut off!
 

LeeM

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Had a blown fuse in my old Peugeot 504D and it would not shutdown. Just put the manual transmission in third gear with the hand brake on and stalled it.
 

VernK

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Had a chuckle with this, took me back to the days of the older Mercedes diesels that wouldn't shut off. The air cutoff flap at the intake manifold was vacuum driven, and since everything else was vacuum driven too, the leaks would add up to the point where there wasn't enough vacuum to close the air flap. Result was the car wouldn't shut off!
Back when I thought I knew far more than I actually did, I worked with a fellow doing air-cooled VW engine rebuilds & swaps. Somehow we got talked into trying to repair this ancient Mercedes diesel bus. There was a lot wrong with it and we never did get it fixed, but not stopping was one of it's problems, if you could get it started. I wonder if it had the same deal, I know that it had a vacuum pump for a bunch of accessories.

Yours
Vern
 
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