2012 Passt TDI SEL PREMIUM 1st OIL CHANGE

[MyAvocation]

What does the free 3 year maintenance cover? Is the dreaded adblue covered or is that more $?

Depends on the dealer.

 

[APT]

I just picked up my new Passat. The USA warranty and Maintenance guide says AdBlue Fluid: Check and add if necessary for each 10k/20k/30k services which it says are included in the VW Carefree Maintenance Program.

 

[truman]

Are all of the UREA products for this purpose interchangeable?

 

[cookeze]

Adblue UREA is the best thing they have come up with so far. Really works well in a big diesel pick-up by increasing fuel economy and its cheap and the price is going down. I think UREA vehicle will be worth more at trade in time.

 

[truman]

Are DEF products and Ad Blue interchangeable?

 

[TomB]

Adblue UREA is the best thing they have come up with so far. Really works well in a big diesel pick-up by increasing fuel economy and its cheap and the price is going down. I think UREA vehicle will be worth more at trade in time.

The additive is just used in the exhaust system. The improved economy is due to the engine tuning being able to perform better (dirtier emissions) with the extra emissions being cleaned up by the UREA in the SCR (2nd catalyst).

 

[TomB]

Are DEF products and Ad Blue interchangeable?

Yes, UREA is UREA from what I have heard. Kind of like Kleenex's being the name brand (AdBlue) and the generic (DEF).

 

[Elfnmagik]

Now we're on urea? That was quick.

 

[APT]

Autozone has 2.5 gal bottle of DEF for $10. I won't need any soon, but just thought I'd mention it. I hear the VW bottles, also 2.5 gal, have a good spout for pouring. Might be worth buying one or two bottles from the dealer and refill later.

 

[tdiatlast]

To repeat: VW Adblue system needs a special nozzle to fill the tank. That nozzle is what's on the VW Adblue bottle. So, some have purchased a single bottle from VW, and when empty, cut the top of the bottle in a manner that allows you to use it as a funnel.

 

[1gunther1]

To repeat: VW Adblue system needs a special nozzle to fill the tank. That nozzle is what's on the VW Adblue bottle. So, some have purchased a single bottle from VW, and when empty, cut the top of the bottle in a manner that allows you to use it as a funnel.

Good tip! Thanks

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Are DEF products and Ad Blue interchangeable?

Yes. Available at most local auto parts stores. Follow tdiatlast's recommendation of buying one bottle from VW so you have the special nozzle. Refill with generic DEF when that bottle is empty.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

What does the free 3 year maintenance cover? Is the dreaded adblue covered or is that more $? the adblue and biodiesel limitation are the two things that have kept me from ordering a new Passat. BTW, I'm converting back to B100 in a couple of weeks in my B4....

AdBlue is widely available, inexpensive and allows the large Passat to get ~50 MPG. Nothing dreaded about it. Place your order!

 

[Djstorm100]

AdBlue is widely available, inexpensive and allows the large Passat to get ~50 MPG. Nothing dreaded about it. Place your order!

Th 6 speed is the only one that can get 50mpg correct?

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Incorrect.

 

[Djstorm100]

Incorrect.

I've been reading the MPG threads of the 6 and DSG. Maintance is not a issue to me with the DSG. How are people getting 50mpg through a semi slush box?

 

[VeeDubTDI]

The DSG has very similar losses to a standard manual, as it is direct drive (no torque converter).

 

[Djstorm100]

Right but I see the DSG getting less MPG vs manual.

 

[Niner]

Not that it hasn't or won't happen, but check on Fuelly.com to see who is getting close to or over 50 MPG, and you'll see it's more likely to occur with a 6M. I haven't seen a single SEL with a 50 MPG tank yet, over a 4 tank fillup average. NoBlueScreen is the only one to average over 50MPG on Fuelly that I've seen.

My own take on it, is that the DSG will be hard pressed to even see 45 MPG if driven at 70 to 75 MPH. The higher the speed or rpm in any gear, the higher the parasitic losses to drive the oil pump in any gear the DSG is engaged in. Keep in mind, this motor reaches peak torque at 1500 or so rpm... so the clutch has to have enough oil pressure to keep the clutch tightly engaged and not slipping. That pressure at anything over 1500 rpm is excessive pressure generation and adds to parasitic losses... which is probably why the DSG shifts so soon in Drive mode, to increase fuel efficiency and minimize those parasitic pumping losses.

These are real world observations here... form your own conclusion on MPGs. http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/passat/2012/diesel l4/sedan

 

[domano 68]

Is the drain plus easily accessible? Any obstructions or panels you have to remove to get to it? Would love to see detailed write up with video or pictures for oil change. Thanks.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Not that it hasn't or won't happen, but check on Fuelly.com to see who is getting close to or over 50 MPG, and you'll see it's more likely to occur with a 6M. I haven't seen a single SEL with a 50 MPG tank yet, over a 4 tank fillup average. NoBlueScreen is the only one to average over 50MPG on Fuelly that I've seen.

My own take on it, is that the DSG will be hard pressed to even see 45 MPG if driven at 70 to 75 MPH. The higher the speed or rpm in any gear, the higher the parasitic losses to drive the oil pump in any gear the DSG is engaged in. Keep in mind, this motor reaches peak torque at 1500 or so rpm... so the clutch has to have enough oil pressure to keep the clutch tightly engaged and not slipping. That pressure at anything over 1500 rpm is excessive pressure generation and adds to parasitic losses... which is probably why the DSG shifts so soon in Drive mode, to increase fuel efficiency and minimize those parasitic pumping losses.

These are real world observations here... form your own conclusion on MPGs. http://www.fuelly.com/car/volkswagen/passat/2012/diesel l4/sedan

Of the 69 Passats in your link, only 13 of them provide enough information to determine transmission type, 4 of which are manual.

The overall for the 68 Passats that didn't claim 93 mpg is 43.59 mpg per tank. 50 is doable if you don't drive the ever-popular 70 to 75 mph, which you yourself said breaks almost every speed limit, so people shouldn't be going that fast in the first place.

 

[APT]

I remember one owner either here or VW Vortex with the DSG getting over 50mpg on a whole tank. I signed up on Fuelly, but have not filled up the tank once yet. I picked up my car about 285 miles from home just 3 days ago. The MFI on mine showed 48mpg over the first 100 miles on my DSG at 60-70mph. I sped up later and varied my speed more for the remainder of the trip and ended up closer to 40mpg. I hit 3500rpm a few times, even in 6th gear. On my commute I am seeing low 40's at 75mph average and just under 50mpg at 60mph.

The DSG 6th gear is about 10% shorter, so whatever speed is 2000rpm in the 6M; the DSG would be 2200rpm. That will cost a little more fuel, but not 10% more.

I recommend choosing the transmission that you like to drive better. The DSG will cost more than the 6M, about $1100 extra up front, plus the $450 service every 40k miles and lower FE. At a theoretical 50mpg for the 6M vs. 40mpg for DSG and $4.50/gallon of D2, the 6M will save about $450/yr at 20k miles, but the same driver is not likely to use 20% less fuel between the two. To me, the operating cost between the two is insignificant to differentiate that it is a leading factor in choosing one over the other.

 

[tdiatlast]

Uhhh...isn't this a "first oil change" thread?

 

[Niner]

Of the 69 Passats in your link, only 13 of them provide enough information to determine transmission type, 4 of which are manual.
The overall for the 68 Passats that didn't claim 93 mpg is 43.59 mpg per tank. 50 is doable if you don't drive the ever-popular 70 to 75 mph, which you yourself said breaks almost every speed limit, so people shouldn't be going that fast in the first place.

If you want pure DSG statistics in fuelly, eliminate every single SE passat and measure the average of all the SEL's, they all have DSG's. The SE's are the ones pulling up the overall average MPG for 2012 passat tdi's.

 

[tdiatlast]

Oil change thread, please?

 

[domano 68]

Drain plug info please?

 

[verylongdrive]

You are wasting money changing it that early.

Whatever happened to the initial oil fill being changed after just a few thousand miles? Regardless of whether a different type of oil is used for that purpose, how come these engines don't (or are said not to) require this any more? Can it help to do it regardless? E.g. change once at 3k, then 10k and back on schedule?

 

[Niner]

Whatever happened to the initial oil fill being changed after just a few thousand miles? Regardless of whether a different type of oil is used for that purpose, how come these engines don't (or are said not to) require this any more? Can it help to do it regardless? E.g. change once at 3k, then 10k and back on schedule?

Manufacturing techniques have improved immensely, as have finished sealing surfaces of the metal lacking previous roughness. Motor oils too have improved. The net results make 10,000 miles on the second oil fill you are driving on now (the first oil fill was in the test bed before your motor was installed in the chassis) more than adequate, with the use of full synthetic oils.

 

[TomB]

Manufacturing techniques have improved immensely, as have finished sealing surfaces of the metal lacking previous roughness. Motor oils too have improved. The net results make 10,000 miles on the second oil fill you are driving on now (the first oil fill was in the test bed before your motor was installed in the chassis) more than adequate, with the use of full synthetic oils.

X2

VW used to do a 5K, 10k and then every 10K after approach, but did away with that.

 

[Steve Ferrous]

Drain plug info please?

Part no: 90813202 - same screw as the 06 and 11 cars I have.