2010 Jetta TDI and Gasoline In Tank

tjnewk

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Picked up my new 2010 Jetta TDI last night. It had 12 miles on it. I thought it started kind of hard but chalked it up to never having started a diesel before. I did call the dealer and told them it didn't seem right to me. The problem just got worse this morning. I had the car back to the dealer by noon. It turns out that the employee who topped off the tank put gas in the tank instead of diesel. They said only a couple of gallons. They drained the tank and changed the fuel filter and said no permanent damage was done. I pretty much threw a fit. The dealer gave me a choice of getting another TDI when it is delivered in a couple of days or keep the current car and get half off an extended warranty. I tried to post the question here but couldn't get my membership approved in time. I told the dealer I wanted the new car. Did I do the right thing? Did I overreact?

I've learned a lot from reading this forum (much still to learn however). Thanks to all of you for sharing your expertise.
 

Russnut

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A new car is always better than having to take it back in a few weeks because it's broken. And then you have no car at all.
 

LiLredTDI

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Oh god, I can imagine your nerves. I think either way is ok, but "I" would opt for the new car. By all rights they should provide you with a loaner until it arrives if you traded and are without transportation.
 

owr084

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Go with a new car. You should not have to worry about that every time you have a problem or think you have a problem. Once you get the new car, post the VIN to the old car...
 

frugality

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You did the right thing in going with the replacement car.

Check this out:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2649583&postcount=22
ncopt said:
Well...turns out I'm one of those idiots everyone here is talking about. Filled my nearly empty tank up this last Wednesday. Drove to work the next day and the engine died on me in the middle of my drive. Wasn't sure what the hell was wrong and had the car towed to the dealer.
Got a call the next day from the service department saying that my car was FULL of gas! %*E$#@&#@#&%!% FU*K!!!
Have only had my car for about a month - it's a 2009 Jetta Sportwagen TDI with 3000 miles. Got the quote from the dealer yesterday...ready for this...are you sitting down? $10,495.00 Holy costly mistake Batman - AND 4 parts have to come from Germany so I'll be without my car for about a month.
Feel lucky you aren't me... :(
Another post in that same thread:
pyankura said:
A lady brought her car to a local dealership that I have close connections with that she put gas in (over a half tank) and drove it. Well I cannot remember the exact details but the components that got scattered through out her engine, wrecked it. And the worst part is that fact that it is not covered under warranty. However, there is a chance to replace these components but it is not guaranteed to work.
 
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CineAtomic

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The dealer I talked to said that happens all the time and no permanent damage is done. (not to my car!) Drain the fuel system, Change fuel filter, good as new! But only if the New TDI you will get has the exact same package. If you paid for a sun roof and heated seats (i think they are standard now anyways) and SAT-NAV with Sattalite raido .. then that will need to be in your replacement. Otherwise the damage can be fixed and no permant damage is done. Thus sayeth the dealer that I spoke to. I had asked him about idiots putting gasoline in a TDI. Luckely when they topped off my tank, the kid actually knew how to drive a manual tranny, and actually put diesel in. Sounds like my dealer is an einstein compared to some!:D

Be sure to search for "breaking in a TDI Engine". These guys have written some really great articles here.
 

frugality

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This one:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=252501

The question is whether there is more that is 'break-able' on the 2009 clean diesel fuel system than on the previous TDI's. I think if the warranty is voided when YOU fill up the tank with gas and drive it, you should expect that the dealer has voided the warranty when they do it, and they should replace the car. Unfortunately, the other one will be still be sold to someone.
 

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After you've completed the deal for a new TDI purchase at the dealer and are arranging delivery, let them know under no uncertain terms are they to fuel up the car before delivery. It will have enough fuel in the tank for you to make it to a local station where you can fuel it up yourself.

I'd rather pay for that first tank than risk a misfueling accident. I'm the only person that fuels up my TDIs! Absolutely NO exceptions! (Yes, it's legal to pump your own DIESEL in Oregon and New Jersey.) If you really want that complimentary "free first tank of gas", make sure you can witness the fueling while it's being done to make absolutely sure the car gets filled with DIESEL and not GASOLINE. I'd still prefer to fuel it up myself than risk a misfueling accident.
 
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ncvw97

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New car with extended warranty. A good dealer should honor the screw up with more than the basics, especially for your trouble.

I would request another new car and the extended warranty added for no charge.

Good Luck
 

MPBsr

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Don't these idiots know how to read the gas cap...diesel.

Oh wait, I just answered my own question.
 

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Newk, go for the new, replacment vehicle. Any issues with this ultra-high pressure injection system may not appear for many, many miles.


Misfuelling

What to do if you've put the wrong fuel in your car

You're not alone. It's estimated that at least 150,000 drivers put the wrong fuel in their car each year – one every three and a half minutes!
And the scale of the problem has been getting bigger too, especially over the last five years with growth in diesel car sales – modern diesels are so quiet it's easy to forget you're driving one, particularly if it's a second family car or hire car.

If you've put the wrong fuel in your car, don't turn on the ignition or start the engine as this will circulate the contaminated fuel and increase the risk of damage.


Potential damage

Diesel fuel pumps operate on very fine tolerances and are lubricated by the diesel fuel itself.

Petrol in diesel acts as a solvent – it reduces lubrication and can cause damage to the pump through metal to metal contact.
Some fuel system seals can be affected by the compounds in petrol too.
The further the contaminated petrol goes in the system the more expensive the repair – it can be cheaper in more extreme cases to fit a new engine.

The newer common rail (or HDi) diesel engines are particularly vulnerable – if fuel contaminated by pump wear debris gets as far as the common rail system you may have to replace the low and high-pressure fuel pumps, injectors, fuel rail, line filters and the fuel tank too.
Many systems use a low-pressure electric pump in the tank or sender unit and this begins to work as soon as the ignition is switched on, circulating the contaminated fuel through the pump and rail – so it's important not to turn the ignition on.

Petrol in Diesel

Do not turn on the ignition or start the car

If the car's still under warranty you should check with the franchised dealer regarding their advice and correct remedial action – running with even a small amount of petrol in the tank might invalidate the warranty while some manufacturers advise that seals and filters should be renewed even if the engine has not been run.

Generally a small amount of incorrect fuel should not damage the engine as long as you have not started the car and top up fully with diesel fuel.
  • If you've added more than 10% (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) petrol – Drain the tank and refill with diesel
  • If you've added less than 10% petrol (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) – Top up with diesel and run normally unless the manufacturer has advised otherwise
Diesel in Petrol

Do not turn on the ignition or start the car

This is much less common because the standard diesel nozzle at fuel stations is larger than the fuel filler neck on modern petrol cars – you have to be pretty determined and patient to misfuel with diesel as a result.
If the car's still under warranty you should check with the franchised dealer regarding their advice and correct remedial action.

Generally a small amount of incorrect fuel should not damage the engine as long as you have not started the car top up fully with petrol.
  • If you've added more than 10% (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) diesel – the car shouldn't be run and the tank should be drained
  • If you've added less than 10% (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) diesel – the tank can be topped up with petrol and the car run normally unless the manufacturer has advised otherwise
AA Fuel Assist



In November 2007 the AA launched Fuel Assist, a specialist roadside service that drains, flushes and replenishes vehicle fuel systems on the spot, saving the customer both time, money and inconvenience.
AA Fuel Assist is available to the general public as well as to AA Members and will attend any vehicle providing the Fuel Assist van has enough capacity in its tanks.

The service not only retrieves the contaminated fuel but ensures that it is recycled through a waste management company with the end product being used to power cement kilns and furnaces for example.
  • Price starts at £184 for AA members and £230 for non-members
  • Fresh fuel to refill the tank is charged at pump price
  • Operates Monday to Friday, 8am till 8pm
  • An appointment system is in place
  • Bookings and enquiries number for AA Fuel Assist is 0870 240 3985 (opening hours 7.30am till 7pm)
  • Dedicated, trained technicians – who only do fuel drains, not general breakdowns – arrive within an hour, on average
  • Fuel AssistSM is a registered Service Mark
Ohh, and welcome aboard, Newk !!
 

pawel

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n1das said:
Yes, it's legal to pump your own DIESEL in Oregon and New Jersey.)/quote]

can you provide a link to the NJ law that says it's ok to pump diesel. I constantly run to idiots that do not let me pump my own diesel
 

tdidieselbobny

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Yep,some dealers have 2010's already-there were 2 on fleabay last night from a dealer in Florida-they were in such a hurry to post them they got the colors wrong in the description-black ad said red,red ad said black.I would have taken new car,and you drive the one they misfueled till they get the replacement.I don't know what gas would do to the diesel's emission system.
 

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WOW!! This reminded me that when we picked up my wife's 2006 TDI late one evening back in April 2006, we drove it a whole 1.5 miles before the fuel light came on, because nobody topped off the tank... Now I'm thankful nobody topped off the tank.

This also reminds me of that ever-so hilarious thread around here about fuel station attendants and other helpful people warning us that we're filling our cars with Diesel because they think everyone drives a petrol vehicle.
 

tjnewk

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Thanks to all for your comments. I think I made the right decision. Of all the people I’ve talked to about this, everyone opted for the new car. We pick it up Monday and I can’t wait. I really enjoyed the 20 or so miles I put on the first car. I expect the next one will drive even better when it has the correct fuel in the tank.
 

Quick Storm

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doesn't the new diesel have a filler neck that is supposed to prevent misfueling? I know BMWs do.

sorry, to hear about your unfortunate mishap. you did the right thing.
 

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I am curious to how the fuel neck would prevent misfueling. The newer pump nozzles are the same size as the gas ones (unless you pull up to the truck side which won't work then for the newer diesels filler necks). Poor guy that they are going to sell this car to though. To bad the dealers aren't as good as there cars. It kind of helps my wife and I to not misfuel since almost all of our vehicles are diesel (with the exception of a bike and a Blazer that I have yet to get running-free gift. See if they will give you the extended warranty for the inconvenience as it doesn't hurt to ask with the new car. But I would get the new car. Rather then fight problems with the car for a long time.
 

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I thought they were the same size, too. At least, the 'regular' diesel nozzles, not the truck-stop huge nozzles. But apparently there IS a difference between the smaller diesel nozzles and the gas nozzles -- the gas nozzles being slightly smaller. The diesel nozzle will fit in this BMW fitting, but the gas nozzle is too small to go over the inner sleeve.


But note this blog post:
I just filled up my new BMW X5 diesel (Canadian) and had to use a fuel filler adapter (supplied by BMW) in order to get the nozzle in. The auto stop feature on the pump does not work with the adapter and diesel fuel was spilled all over the rear fender. Now I have a smelly adapter I must keep in the car and am wondering if this problem is peculiar to Shell or is this the case with all Canadian diesel filling stations.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/ca...illers-prevent-gasoline-fill-up-mistakes.html
 

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Good move to get the new car. I would tell them that you want the 3 "free" services free...meaning you want the oil and filters for all 3 services upon delivery, at no charge. That way you should avoid them for a long time. I got 1 free service...the 20K one...when they put a whole extra liter of oil in.

Chances are, you had a high school kid filling up the car. If this was a Buick with a diesel...VERY rare :), I could buy off on it. This is VW...where a lot of diesels are sold...no excuse.
 

philngrayce

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I think you made the right decision choosing a new car. And I don't know just how the new systems will respond to gasoline.

But for anyone who accidently puts gasoline in their diesel vehicle (particularly pre 2009 models), don't panic. And certainly don't go for the dealers $10,000 repair estimate. As soon as possible, get the gas out and replace it with diesel. Changing the filter is a good idea. You'll probably be fine.
 

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CMB430 said:
I got 1 free service...the 20K one...when they put a whole extra liter of oil in.
Oy ve.

Reminds me of a boss I had a number of years ago. One morning he drove into work and his Mazda B2200 pickup was smoking like crazy. After the guys picked his brain and found he'd done an oil change himself and what had happened, he said, "I thought every engine took 5 quarts of oil....?"

This same guy borrowed company's hammer drill for mounting studs to his basement concrete wall, and spent most of a Saturday burning through a mess of masonry bits before he realized he was running the drill in reverse.

Evolution just isn't true, I tell ya....
 

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I was in PA on I-80 fueling my E350 V10 gasser when a new E450 diesel motorhome pulled up to the pump on the other end of the pump row to a pump with no diesel and the driver started to pump gasoline into the motorhome. I stopped fueling and ran over to him and told him to stop pumping gas into a diesel truck. He told me to FO and mind my own business. His folks and my folks were in the Wendys having lunch and one of his guys asked why I had come over and spoke to him while he was fueling, he got out his receipt and turned white as he read it, 42 gallons of 87 unleaded in a rented diesel motorhome and this was just the start of their trip, I'll bet that the owner of that truck was not a happy camper when he got that call!!!
 

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CineAtomic said:
The dealer I talked to said that happens all the time and no permanent damage is done. (not to my car!) Drain the fuel system, Change fuel filter, good as new! (snip)
__. Yes, this is true for earlier cars (esp. '03 and earlier) -- but, no matter what happens on the earlier cars, you probably get away with misfueling them (there is some chance you'll damage something but that chance is pretty small in practice). The '09's and 10's are a very different story. Read Dieseldorf's post - what he has written is true. Misfueling an '09 or '10 (or any other "Common Rail" engine) is a big problem.
 

jasonTDI

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This dealer is an idiot.

Yes, if a bit of gas went through an older ALH it might be ok. They still got scored and damaged though. The new cars high pressure pump forgetaboutit!

I've had a Bosch engeneer in MY shop as well as some of the other best engine guys in the country for all different manufacturers. They were in Madison for a conferance at the University. He said they see a lot of issue with the pump on diesel alone much less gas.

CineAtomic said:
The dealer I talked to said that happens all the time and no permanent damage is done. (not to my car!) Drain the fuel system, Change fuel filter, good as new! But only if the New TDI you will get has the exact same package. If you paid for a sun roof and heated seats (i think they are standard now anyways) and SAT-NAV with Sattalite raido .. then that will need to be in your replacement. Otherwise the damage can be fixed and no permant damage is done. Thus sayeth the dealer that I spoke to. I had asked him about idiots putting gasoline in a TDI. Luckely when they topped off my tank, the kid actually knew how to drive a manual tranny, and actually put diesel in. Sounds like my dealer is an einstein compared to some!:D

Be sure to search for "breaking in a TDI Engine". These guys have written some really great articles here.
 

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Turbine Suburban said:
Hmmm. Wonder if they will disclose the history to the next "new" car buyer????:mad:
It's been titled. It a used car now.

I'd call the DMV and let them know though just in case.
 

merk

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You can rest assure it was almost an full tank of unleaded gas. And a few gallons od diesel. After having worked at a stealership in the past, I never saw a car with more than a few gallons of fuel in it until it was ready to leave the lot, or a manager wanted to drive it for a while...You did the right thing.
 
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