Not me. In fact it is the opposite. What ever the the celebs are for i am against. Maybe on day a conservative will roll up in a Toureg TDibigEZ said:so let it be written, so let it be done. glad the official pronouncement has come from dweisel that we have nothing to look forward to.
all diesels need to be hot are celebrities to start showing up at awards shows in them. most people are sheep and will follow where their celebs lead them, just like with hybrids.
It is still cheaper run a Jetta TDi than the 2.5.dweisel said:How will there be a diesel market in the USA with diesel prices way above gasoline prices? You could not convince anyone to go diesel even when the price of diesel fuel was lower than gas. You sure are not going to do it with the current price difference. The only way that diesels will come into favor in the US is for diesel fuel to cost less than gas by about .50 cents. Sorry to say I doubt that will happen. The only reason all the auto manufacturers are coming out with diesel models for 08 is to get their average fleet mileage up. The new diesel models comming out in 08 will be short lived. Hopefully someone will come out with a workable diesel electric hybrid that will get fantastic mileage. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE would love to see the US become a diesel loving society more than me. Sorry it just ain't going to happen. And that really HURTS!
The overt, greedy and sickening rise in diesel fuel is always the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths when it comes to diesel fule. I can't stand it, I have to explain to them 45mpg at $2.50 is < 22mpg at $2.07.dweisel said:
2 for me. One ride in my RC+3 Golf, and one smoked-out older Audi behind me has two people seriously looking for a TDI then can enjoy as much as i do mine. Personally, it may take another $3.50/ gal. fuel crisis to convert more people. One thing is for sure... America runs on diesel and variations of it (18 wheelers, trains, jets etc), so you can bet that it there ever is a true shortage of fuel in this country, they will use more crude to make diesel as opposed to gasoline. Our diesel days are coming!dweisel said:
can you see the future or something? i hate matter-of-fact statements which have no substance behind them. if you have some real info which supports your theories, please feel free to share them.dweisel said:bigEZ, we sure do have a huge selection of diesels to pick from here in the USA. If you want a particular make and model of the 08's you better buy one within three years,because thats about all the time the manufacturers will make them available here.
VW wouldn't have won a customer in me if they hadn't changed the way their Jetta's look. The only reason I went with an 06 Jetta was because they totally improved it's looks and size over older models. As far as my 06 TDI looking like a corolla...Corolla owners only wish that were true! Corollas are cheap and look it. I see no comparison between my TDI and Corollas except for some similarity in the rear styling. After that, there's no comparison. Have you driven a 06 Corolla? I have...feels like it was built in 1986, the interior is very cheaply done.BigAndy said:VW could win on both counts by bringing back the A2 Jetta/Rabbit in a TDI diesel . Then nobody could say that the Jetta looks like a Corolla anymore
Great Point.BigAndy said:Well, there is that 50 state legal engine design that makes attempting to sell into this market a much better alternative than in 2006. 2007 marks the year of this change.
This is a very good point but not as impactive as back in the 90's.dweisel said:The only reason all the auto manufacturers are coming out with diesel models for 08 is to get their average fleet mileage up.
Not so true.BeetleGo said:Diesel will have to be 30-40% more expensive than regular gas (year round) to make the difference you descibe Dwiezel.
Steve-o said:So obviously people have no problem spending extra money for an engine that offers better performance than stock. Or spending extra money for the fuel to run it.
Answer to Steve-o question by 03_01_TDI03_01_TDI said:One main problem is that diesel engines get compared by there Horsepower rating. Everybody understands that 100hp is "slow".
Fleets of diesel models and makers over in europe will have a chance to sell their existing diesel engines in cars we already drive/own and know. Honda, Toyota, Chryselr, Jeep, Land Rover, BMW, Renault, Nissan, Ford, all have models that run on diesel for decades in europe ...so the answer is those models can now be sold here. No short-term here, long term. I agree with big-EZbigEZ said:why in the world would they be spending so much time, effort and money in r&d and promotion? honda, dcx, vw, audi, possibly toyota, subaru: all these companies are just having diesels as short-term fads?
Probably the most truest statement made. Bravo. Jiffy Lube, Midas and In&Out quick lubes would be banned for the quick oil changes. Gelling in the winter, additives and remembering them during cold weather, and looking for a diesel fuel pump instead of looking for ANY gas station would be a pain in the arse. People would have to think for once while owning a vehicle. Never happen.IndigoBlueWagon said:And driving a diesel takes some measure of involvement, or at least people think it does.
The push to diesel in europe was over fiscal tax being lower owning a diesel then a gasoline compared model. Diesel was always cheaper then gasoline too, at least when I was growing up in europe. People shopped price on fuel and a lower yearly fiscal tax and insurance by diesel. It wasn't that they loved diesels ...it was due to being insured, registered and run at a lower yearly cost then that of a gasoline model. Only recently in the past 10 years has the game been caught onto and the taxes to run your diesel caught up to gasoline comparitive makes/models.Dorado said:It's not just the "idiot US consumer", the technology is just being kept away from the American public.
Absolutely true and as well a huge surge in fuel prices triggered its appeal.Txst said:The only reason I went with an 06 Jetta was because they totally improved it's looks and size over older models.
Perhaps the only reason I'd never recommend a diesel to anyone I know ...knowing they'd be screwed royal by a service department who knows ZIP about diesels.supton said:Fix VW dealers and/or bring lots more choice over, and it'll be a good thing. But be careful what you wish for.
Nah, the car makers can do that just by fudging with the EPA category that the vehicle slots into. Example: Chrysler PT Cruiser. For CAFE purposes the EPA calls that a "light truck" because the seats fold flat in the cargo area or something like that. IIRC, there are 5 qualifications for a vehicle to be called a light truck, and if a vehicle meets 3 of them then the CAFE category is light truck. Same thing for the Chevy HHR, I'm sure. And probably the Dodge Caliber/Jeep Compass/Jeep Patriot.dweisel said:The only reason all the auto manufacturers are coming out with diesel models for 08 is to get their average fleet mileage up.
So do Neil Young and the Dixie chicksSteve-o said:I really don't think it will be that hard for diesels to catch on. Efforts like Audi's help; so do people like Willie Nelson and Bonnie Raitt (both travel using biodiesel)
Why aren't they importing the diesels they have NOW? Why weren't they importing them during the 90s and when gas pricess shot through the relatve roof here in the US recently?bigEZ said:...if, as you say, all these auto makers are just using diesels to help cafe #'s, why in the world would they be spending so much time, effort and money in r&d and promotion? honda, dcx, vw, audi, possibly toyota, subaru: all these companies are just having diesels as short-term fads?
What would Detriot motor have to gain by selling diesel passanger cars in the US right now?MrMopar said:...Diesel just doesn't fit into this specific equation. I think that more makers are pursuing diesel because of other gains, rather than inflating the CAFE numbers.