2005 BEW PD lift pump operation and internals

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you can save money being a beta tester for sure or pay $500 at the dealership for a german speaking fuel pump or buy what you know will work based on the reputation of the company selling the part...defender-tech is a company I trust :D (Y)
 

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you can save money being a beta tester for sure or pay $500 at the dealership for a german speaking fuel pump or buy what you know will work based on the reputation of the company selling the part...defender-tech is a company I trust :D (Y)
i am beta testing a bmw x5 diesel lift pump motor in my 05' golf :)... almost 60k miles so far no issues ;) and iirc i paid $5 for it at a GTG in asheville !!
EDIT: the defender tech replacement motors need to be modified to work properly in the original "yellow" sending units as did this BMW motor
 
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So if youre saying they are all the same now why bother with the defender tech one? Whats different about it? It says both OEM and OE in the add so I don't really get how this is different than the one that just gave out on me after a year. Also, I cant really wait that long from Canada but I am very happy with the service from Defender on my skid plate.
Also, I'm leaning towards a VDO from Bora overnighted at $225 but from what youre saying its the same as the rest now? If thats the case I may as well save a hundred bucks and get a Beck.
 

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Did you read the posts referenced in the first post of this thread that I re-posted to bring that information to your attention?
I suppose you know about avoiding Prothe on ebay?
 

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I read through those but something must be going over my head here. From what I understand the only available pump is now no suffix. You can choose to modify back to old style if you like but I still fail to see the advantage to buying one brand vs the other since it sounds like they are all the same thing now.
 

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If Defender tech is not an option, should I spend the extra $100 on the VDO or just get the Beck? From what I understand they are the same thing, maybe the VDO has a VW logo on it.
 

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Jumping from first few pages to the very end (while later weeding through the post):

2005 Golf TDI BEW - engine swap (main knock). Front jacked up for 4 weeks, 1/4 tank diesel.

New engine in, everything dandy. Took fuse 28 out (assuming this is fuel pump) to crank new engine (timing belt done, etc) first without firing.
Actually started and ran for a few seconds.

Cranked some more to move oil, coolant, power steering etc around.

Good enough. Fuse back in. Crank. Nothing. Repeat.

Ok, need to bleed. No bleed procedure in vagcom for my model.

Took fuel filter out. Turn key on, nothing. Also don't hear fuel pump cycling.

Found and opened fuel pump lid. Voltage check to outside pin: ok.

Some tapping on pump (I had it that a bit of 'jolt' woke up the pump). Nope.

Resistance across two (big) outside pins: infinite (open circuit). I would assume the pump motor shows some resistance?

Assumption: pump motor died (or build up on brushes or similar) while sitting in garage.

Removed pump. Can get motor out without pulling the hard nasty fuel lines off (and as OP states, likely need to destroy the line with none on hand).

1. Start search for new pump assembly (to avoid messing around with hard plastic fuel lines).
2. Start search for used assembly (better than nothing, but slim chance). What car make/model/year are suitable donors for my 2005 TDI?
3. If 'open circuit' (while standing), chances are that contacts are rotted from sitting. May just some 'spinning' of the motor shaft would bring them back to life? Or 'jolting' with some higher voltage? Or submerge in 'contact cleaner'? Can't get to the motor itself as mentioned above without breaking the fuel lines, and therefore cannot access the critical parts.

Any suggestions how to commence from here?

My pump looks exactly like his one, the OP one in the beginning of this thread (from what I can tell).
Is the part number for my pump 1J0919050?

 
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ok, the hard plastic line comes right off, you just need to carefully apply a little heat with a pocket torch .... i remove and reuse them all the time without issue ... reheat a little just before slipping over the new pump nipple... that's the only end you need to deal with ... as for reviving a "dead" pump, i have, on occasion, been able to jolt them back to life by banging on the bottom of the tank right under the pump ... this seats the worn brushes a little tighter to the commutator, just enough to get the pump spinning again
 
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ok, the hard plastic line comes right off, you just need to carefully apply a little heat with a pocket torch .... i remove and reuse them all the time without issue ... reheat a little just before slipping over the new pump nipple... that's the only end you need to deal with ... as for reviving a "dead" pump, i have, on occasion, been able to jolt them back to life by banging on the bottom of the tank right under the pump ... this seats the worn brushes a little tighter to the commutator, just enough to get the pump spinning again
In order to get the pump itself out, I need to disconnect both fuel lines (pump and case); don't see how I can separate the case without disconnecting both.
Not sure how the motor is held in place in the case.

With the unit in my hand, I will give it a few good smacks on the pump motor. Also hoping to spin the pump (so that that contacts move a bit), maybe flow compressed air into the pump outlet), with voltage applied to the pump.
 

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In order to get the pump itself out, I need to disconnect both fuel lines (pump and case); don't see how I can separate the case without disconnecting both.
Not sure how the motor is held in place in the case.
With the unit in my hand, I will give it a few good smacks on the pump motor. Also hoping to spin the pump (so that that contacts move a bit), maybe flow compressed air into the pump outlet), with voltage applied to the pump.
no need to disconnect both lines .... use a pick to unclip the pickup screen foot down in the bottom of the reservoir .... hard to see if it's all black in there but once it unclips everything slides apart
 

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Pickup screen in bottom (outside) unclipped. Still lots of tension (like a spring) on the housing when pulling apart. Seems like hoses hold it down.
 

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Anyone know the part number of my (2005 Golf TDI BEW) pump? Etka?
Need to try locating a replacement (used or cheap fake).
Part number may also determine what potential donor cars have suitable pump (junk yards, ebay).
 

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In desperation, I picked up a pump (supposedly 2004 Jetta TDI) from junkyard ($106, ouch). Looks a bit different; will clean up both and post pics. Then give that a try
 

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wrong screen man!.... the clip is on the foot of the pickup tube...



this is the screen you're after .... see the very first post in this thread for pictures of the foot and clip
 
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The VDO part number show the following applications:

Year(s) Make Model(s) Engine(s)
2006-2004 Volkswagen Beetle L4-116ci 1.9L MFI,L4-121ci 2.0L DI
2006 Volkswagen Beetle L4-121ci 2.0L MPI,L5-151ci 2.5L MFI
2005-2004 Volkswagen Beetle,Jetta L4 1.8L MFI,L4-121ci 2.0L MFI
2006-2005 Volkswagen Golf L4 1.8L MFI,L4-116ci 1.9L MFI,L4-121ci 2.0L MFI,L4-121ci 2.0L MPI
2005 Volkswagen Golf V6 2.8L MFI
2005-2004 Volkswagen Jetta L4-116ci 1.9L MFI,L4-121ci 2.0L MPI
2005 Volkswagen Jetta L5-151ci 2.5L MFI
2004 Volkswagen Jetta V6 2.8L MFI
 

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How do you GET to that screen deep down (without taking the hose off the up outlet)?
you have to slide the module top's rails out of the tangs on the outside of the reservoir and move it to the side to get access with a pick .... use your "imagination" to get it apart without imagining throwing it against the wall ;)... it can be done i assure you... i can have it apart in under two minutes.... EDIT: ... unhook all the wires from the underside of the module top first and route the sender wires out of the wire guide in the central portion of the pump... slide the steel guides out of the reservoir tangs and push the top out of the way ... get a flashlight and follow the pump outlet hose to the bottom of reservoir ... the outlet hose ends in the foot valve ... this foot valve has one tang that holds it to the bottom of the reservoir ... use a pick to pry the tang over ever so slightly, as soon as the tang releases the pump will slide apart and you'll have unfettered access to the pump motor and the hose connection
 
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Top is off (out of its outside rails) after taking the ? pressure regulator (with the hose on in) out (depress the tang, rotate and pop out; now in pieces (spring)).

Will now try to 'look' inside 'down there' to find the foot valve 'tang' and get it disconnected.
 

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Update:

New pump installed (seems to fit; not sure if fuel gauge works; later).
New fuel filter (while at it and system drained) installed.

a) primed a few times. pump runs. FUEL LEAK.
b) didn't know/forgot to tighten the bottom drain. No good 'hand tight'\
c) reconnect everything. LEAK.
d) appeared to be coming from blue, inner towards engine line that goes to (or come from, not sure which way it is) the cam driven pump. Replace spring hose clamp with fuel line hose clamp
d) Leak. Not sure now where it comes from. Is the "T" (assume O rings) prone to leaking? No dealer within 2 hours driving. How is the "T" called so I can look up what i might need? What size are the O rings (if I have a matching size in my stash)?

Engine runs; need to fill up auto tranny fluid now.
 

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did you put a gasser pump in your tank ? if so then you have around 10x the fuel pressure going to the filter and tandem pump than it should and that's why it's started pissing fuel out everywhere
 
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JY said diesel. Original pump was: 1J0 919 050 B

Here is the part number and photo of the JY one I have installed:
VDO
220-212-001-001
Pressure [bar]0.5bar Fuel Type Diesel

Only showing BEW engine code for Beetle:

NEW BEETLE
1.9 TDI [ from 2001, [ATD], 101BHP ]
Engine Code: ATD
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ from 2001, [BEW], 101BHP ]


GOLF MK IV
1.9 TDI [ 1998 to 2001, [AJM], 115BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: AJM
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ 1998 to 2001, [AUY], 115BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: AJM
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ 2000 to 2005, [ATD], 101BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: ATD
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ 2000 to 2005, [AXR], 101BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: ATD
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ 2000 to 2005, [ARL], 150BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: ARL
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling 1.9 TDI [ 2000 to 2005, [ASZ], 130BHP ]
from Chassis No.: 1J-1-300 001
Engine Code: ASZ
Fuel Supply: for vehicles with fuel cooling


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Could the pump be the cause for the leak? Or should it work? Junk Yard guy naturally doesn't have a clue (assumed 2004 Jetta, but said it was a diesel; pulled this morning after I called, but I did NOT see the car).
Engine runs, just pissing diesel. Could be "T" O ring fit old filter, but not a good fit for new filter?
 

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Seems like the O rings on the T and the filter are frequently causing problems.
But most report air contamination. In my case: 1/2 a quart of diesel leaking out during 20 second engine run.

O rings, or pump wrong?

In other post, someone listed for the O rings: "AS568A-904" sized O-ring which is ID: 8.92mm & CS: 1.83mm.

Also: 1J0 198 247
Interchange number:
Factory Number
FEBI BILSTEIN 21587
TOPRAN 110 676
SWAG 32 92 1587
AUDI 1J0 198 247
SEAT 1J0 198 247
VW 1J0 198 247
 
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