2004 Jetta TDI Fuel system.

[rchambers]

My 2004 Jetta with 414450 miles laid down the other day. I had driven it about 70 miles from home and it ran fine. When we left the ballgame after about 2 hours it would not start. I would turn the key and it would turn over start then die. It never started again. I took it to a VW mechanic and he said the fuel system had metal shaving and the turbo was destroyed. The repair cost was going to be $8000.00 Does that sound reasonable?

 

[STDOUBT]

It sounds like the mechanic is trying to tell you he doesn't want to work on the car without telling you he doesn't want to work on the car.
Now that we have that out of the way,
Did the car give you no indication of trouble prior to the no-start issue?
Did the mechanic state where the metal shaving was coming from?
Are you at all handy under the hood?

 

[oilhammer]

You need a different mechanic.

 

[rchambers]

The car would always start, it would miss periodically as if an injector wasn't firing. I put injector cleaner in and it helped. I had driven 70 miles at around 75 mph with no problems the night it wouldn't start. I am somewhat handy under the hood. The mechanic said that the shaving was in the fuel system. I am assuming the turbo was shattered. I had changed the oil about 1000 miles before the problem.

 

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[rchambers]

It sounds like the mechanic is trying to tell you he doesn't want to work on the car without telling you he doesn't want to work on the car.
Now that we have that out of the way,
Did the car give you no indication of trouble prior to the no-start issue?
Did the mechanic state where the metal shaving was coming from?
Are you at all handy under the hood?

The car would always start, it would miss periodically as if an injector wasn't firing. I put injector cleaner in and it helped. I had driven 70 miles at around 75 mph with no problems the night it wouldn't start. I am somewhat handy under the hood. The mechanic said that the shaving was in the fuel system. I am assuming the turbo was shattered. I had changed the oil about 1000 miles before the problem.

 

[BobnOH]

You need a different mechanic.

You know this guy is usually right

 

[JETaah]

Fuel system debris is not going to find its way into the intake tract.
Turbo shrapnel is not going to find its way into the fuel system.

Does the tachometer register rpm’s while cranking? Like somewhere around 200-300?

 

[Vince Waldon]

And.. a dead turbo won't make the engine not start.

Run, run, run from that shop.

 

[rchambers]

Thanks for your input. I felt the shop was full of bull about the metal shavings.

 

[STDOUBT]

So, sometimes the injection pump can find itself coming apart inside, though.
Shavings can happen... in the fuel system - it would explain the "It never started again." bit, but so far I've read no evidence of a turbo problem.
Injection pump original at 414450 miles?

 

[JETaah]

So, sometimes the injection pump can find itself coming apart inside, though.
Shavings can happen... in the fuel system - it would explain the "It never started again." bit, but so far I've read no evidence of a turbo problem.
Injection pump original at 414450 miles?

Bear in mind this is a PD car (2004) without a typical rotary injection pump, but yes, I suppose that the tandem pump could shed some metal if it ran dry. I wonder where in the fuel system he discovered the metal.

A turbo blowing up does not have a path to deposit shrapnel into the fuel system. Could it be separate issues? Maybe.

 

[csstevej]

Did anyone check to see if the intank pump is working?
Could be that the intank pump was dead and then the tandem pump died…

 

[rchambers]

So, sometimes the injection pump can find itself coming apart inside, though.
Shavings can happen... in the fuel system - it would explain the "It never started again." bit, but so far I've read no evidence of a turbo problem.
Injection pump original at 414450 miles?

Yes, it was the original.

 

[rchambers]

Bear in mind this is a PD car (2004) without a typical rotary injection pump, but yes, I suppose that the tandem pump could shed some metal if it ran dry. I wonder where in the fuel system he discovered the metal.

A turbo blowing up does not have a path to deposit shrapnel into the fuel system. Could it be separate issues? Maybe.

I am not sure about where the shaving, Pretty sure he said the entire fuel system needed replaced..

 

[rchambers]

It sounded like it had run out of fuel, it would start for a second then die. Start then die. Plenty of fuel in the tank.

 

[Scratcher]

Did anyone check to see if the intank pump is working?
Could be that the intank pump was dead and then the tandem pump died…

If it was the original in tank pump, the tandem pump will still pull fuel from the tank and the engine will still run. I inherited my 2004 PD from my brother in law and the intank pump has been dead for years, but the car still runs. The intank pump only seems to serve its purpose in priming and keeping prime from the tank to the tandem pump. Last time I did a filter change it was a bear trying to bleed air out and get it to start and run. I'm about to replace the intank pump with an OEM. I'm sure it can't be good to be putting extra pressure on the tandem pump if its always having to pull from the tank. Anyway, that's a whole other discussion that is well documented on other threads and I don't want to hijack the OPs thread!

Personally, I would be going for the tandem pump in this case. Was there actual visual evidence of metal shavings in the fuel system?

 

[oilhammer]

I've had about 50 BEWs towed in our shop with dead lift pumps that most certainly did NOT run. Including the 2004 Golf that I now own. I've only ever come across one car that still ran (poorly) with a dead lift pump. So I know it can happen that way, but the odds seem to strongly favor the other.

 

[Scratcher]

I've had about 50 BEWs towed in our shop with dead lift pumps that most certainly did NOT run. Including the 2004 Golf that I now own. I've only ever come across one car that still ran (poorly) with a dead lift pump. So I know it can happen that way, but the odds seem to strongly favor the other.

I know there are other discussion on this. In my research I found that pumps with the part number: 1J0919050B will still allow fuel to be pulled through by the tandem pump whereas part no 1J0919050 will block fuel from getting through if the intank pump fails. My pump is totally dead but the car still runs fine. The only problem I have is when I do a fuel service and lose prime. Once I replace the intank pump, I know that cycling the key to activate the intank pump will help bleed out the air quicker than cranking. I talked to one of the guys at ID Parts and he confirmed that the only pump that will still allow the car to run even if it fails is the one with the B at the end

 

[Scratcher]

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[Themba71]

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[JETaah]

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