2 stroke oil in your diesel = smiles?
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Only problem is this stuff is green. As in really really dark green. If your hpfp goes poof and they dip yer tank or if you go to VW for routine service and they dip your tank (yes they can do this!) then man you are stone cold busted. You can always try and pump the tank and fuel filter canister out and refill with some virgin d2 before you call the wrecker...not that I would advocate such behavior hahaha!
steve05ram360
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How many miles on it with 2 stroke?
What ratio? (oz per gallons or tank)
200:1 ratio... does not turn the fuel green. His pump is not going to poof either. I recommend using DEI heat shield products to insulate the fuel lines, rail, insulate the fuel canister and bypass the t-stat valve in the fuel canister and route fuel back to the tank. Remove the possibility of heat soaking the fuel lines and provide the coolest fuel coming out of the tank to pull heat off the HPFP.
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2 stroke oil is designed to lubricate bearings, seals, rings, piston pin and the piston-skirt to bore, so yes, adding it to diesel does lubricate things, thus avoiding metal to metal contact. The new stuff, IE TCW is designed to burn clean so it doesn't gum up the parts and produce smoke like the old days.
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Sez who? You
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No, the makers of 2 stroke oil, and a few people who have tested it's properties against wear, DURRRR!
Actually, it was designed for airplanes, yeah, that's it, so they could fly at night without lights.
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haha,, I've always wondered how those airplanes made it through the sky without lights. That little blinkey thing on the wing tip and the big red belly beacon couldn't have been providing that much illumination.
Two-stroke oil? Who'd have thunk it?
Two-stroke oil? Who'd have thunk it?
I use 16oz of 2 stroke oil per tankful, 8oz of all the powerservice products except the biocide (2oz is plenty) and the balance b100 to equal one gallon total. I change the oil, oil filter and fuel filter every 5000 miles. Is this overkill? Probably so as the fuel filter is quite clean when I change it. I have seen no metal shavings in the filter housing so far. 20k miles...stay tuned
I will stick with this brew (at this dosage rate) as I have been using it since day one and in order for this to mean anything I have to be consistent with it (including the filter replacement rate). If anything goes poof I will let everyone know. I am fortunate that we have an outstanding local bio supplier here in my area.
steve05ram360
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You should keep track of the dpf ash if you have a dpf with that much 2 stroke. I know at the 200:1 ratio there is no problems so far with 26000 miles of use. I dont recall seeing which year you have but if its a cr motor i would recommend continuing to swap the fuel filter every 10k...
steve05ram360
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Yeah it is...
markd89
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Pennzoil XLF
I was impressed with Abacus' results with a mix of 2 Stroke oil and Power Service and have been running this in my TDI Bus. I recently ran out of 2 Stroke and went to the local FLAPS and found this stuff:
Pennzoil Marine® XLF
Their claim "...formulated to a higher lubricity limit than the NMMA AF-27 lubricity test..."
They also sell a regular TCW3 oil, so presumably this oil has more lubricity than that. TDI benefit? Who knows, but thought I'd pass the info along.
Full product page: http://www.pennzoil.com/other-car-p...rd-engine-oil-extended-life-formula/#Benefits
Mark
I was impressed with Abacus' results with a mix of 2 Stroke oil and Power Service and have been running this in my TDI Bus. I recently ran out of 2 Stroke and went to the local FLAPS and found this stuff:
Pennzoil Marine® XLF
Their claim "...formulated to a higher lubricity limit than the NMMA AF-27 lubricity test..."
They also sell a regular TCW3 oil, so presumably this oil has more lubricity than that. TDI benefit? Who knows, but thought I'd pass the info along.
Full product page: http://www.pennzoil.com/other-car-p...rd-engine-oil-extended-life-formula/#Benefits
Mark
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Thanks Mark.
I'm getting ready (seal kit is inbound) to swap to an IP with 300,000 less miles on it and I'll tear the original IP apart and look for wear. It still works fine (head seal just starting to leak) but has to have wear compared to one with 1/3 the miles on it, and I suspect the frog in the pot syndrome. I'll report back what I find.
Thanks for the link to the oil. I wonder about price. Since I have no scientific data either way and it's cheap, I'll probably stick with what I've been doing for now since it seems to work well.
markd89
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Cool, looking forward to hearing about how the insides of your IP look. Cost on this stuff was, I think, $23 which was about the same as the regular 2 Stroke stuff. I'm not near a Walmart, so this was the best deal around...
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I was impressed with Abacus' results with a mix of 2 Stroke oil and Power Service and have been running this in my TDI Bus. I recently ran out of 2 Stroke and went to the local FLAPS and found this stuff:
Pennzoil Marine® XLF
Their claim "...formulated to a higher lubricity limit than the NMMA AF-27 lubricity test..."
They also sell a regular TCW3 oil, so presumably this oil has more lubricity than that. TDI benefit? Who knows, but thought I'd pass the info along.
Full product page: http://www.pennzoil.com/other-car-p...rd-engine-oil-extended-life-formula/#Benefits
Mark
Nice find.
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Old thread but worth reviving every now and then to keep fresh
I just started using 2 stroke oil and noticed and immediate difference.. Spooky runs much quieter and smoother.
I just started using 2 stroke oil and noticed and immediate difference.. Spooky runs much quieter and smoother.
minis2003
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How did the 2-stroke oil affect your mpg if any?
When I used a Diesel additive "I forgot the name but in a similar bottle as berry and" I listed 2 mpg from my normal mpg. 5 fill-up are all in 40.xx and my last is 40.69 mpg. I normally add dieselservice or Stanadyne to my tank full
When I used a Diesel additive "I forgot the name but in a similar bottle as berry and" I listed 2 mpg from my normal mpg. 5 fill-up are all in 40.xx and my last is 40.69 mpg. I normally add dieselservice or Stanadyne to my tank full
poormanq45
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How does this compare to running B5?
GreenLantern_TDI
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I run B5 and optilube and 2 stroke oil. 6 oz two stroke oil 2 oz optilube boost and 6 oz XPD per tank. Filled up today and calculator netted 52 mpg for the tank.
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This should be a sticky...
poormanq45
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I'd be interested to see what you get just running the B5 and Optilube. Particularly the 3rd tank once everything else has been flushed out.
The B5 should be doing more than all of the other additives combined.
Bob_Fout
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Feel free to provide input.
GreenLantern_TDI
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Im just tickled $hitless to get 52mpg.
Seatman
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Nothing to input for now, was using 2 stroke, started using stuff called diesel rhino, ran out of both and got caught up in life so it all got neglected and now I keep forgetting to pick up more 2 stroke!
I remember mocking my dad for writing to do lists lol
Has anyone else here seen this test from Sasol (a South Africa oil producer)?
It concludes that not only is 2 stroke oil totally ineffectual for increasing diesel lubricity but that JASO FC spec 2 stroke oil will cause buildup of significant injector deposits with the expected adverse effects on performance.
BTW, I run TCW-3 at 200:1 in my TDi and will continue to do so.
It concludes that not only is 2 stroke oil totally ineffectual for increasing diesel lubricity but that JASO FC spec 2 stroke oil will cause buildup of significant injector deposits with the expected adverse effects on performance.
BTW, I run TCW-3 at 200:1 in my TDi and will continue to do so.
Abacus
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That has not been my experience over hundreds of thousands of miles in a real world application (my car). But then I mix it with a cetane improver at 1/2 the ratio as well, so it's not straight 2 cycle oil. In addition, the injection pump is audibly quieter which is why I add it.
I wish there was an inexpensive place to have the HFRR test performed.
Reading the paper now, thanks for the link.
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Well isn't that an interesting read. It certainly counters the very limited and selected information available in the Spicer report. I will not question the methodology due to the cited references, but am curious as to how, on the HFRR results, the EN590 fuel with the 2SO is worse than the EN590 or 2SO individually. I would think, as shown in the Market Diesel results, that the 2SO would have some benefit, even if it's minor. This is shown in the SLBOCLE results as well, where the 2SO adds some improvement.
But something to keep in mind is my car is not a CR, it is an older VE design and does not require such refined fuel to operate. Perhaps that is why I have no issues running my 'elixir' and why I have no buildup even after considerable time. I have noticed cleaning effects using it, and over time the cars start easier and run perfectly in any weather. I just changed my original injection pump to a spare at 442,000 miles but the spare pump (144,000 miles on it) makes the car run no differently than the old pump. I attribute the long life to the additive package I use but have no scientific data to back up my anecdotal experience.
Thank you for the link to the study, it was very informative.
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Thing that stood out more for me was the "Refinery Diesel" (diesel without any additives) HFRR results which should be equivalent to the Spicer report test (allowing for variation in the base stock causing the "raw" diesel to have different baseline wear levels). There shouldn't be enough variation in the base fuel for the effect of 2 stroke oil to be so markedly different (or so I would have thought).
As with the EN590 fuel test, 2 stroke oil would seem to have increased the wear level for "Refinery Diesel" in the Sasol report (even if the difference falls within the error bars so that it is only a suggestion rather than a definitive result), which defies explanation.