2/3rds EVs by 2032... Realistic? (and time to horde diesels?)

[gearheadgrrrl]

even PepsiCo won't disclose what real world millage is. The last article I read about the Tesla trucks were, they are only used for short range trips and not loaded close to their max weight so they can be recharged after a trip. They use cng powered Volvos for their long haul operations. btw just about any diesel semi can triple that range. Also, like I said before it can't haul as much weight as a diesel powered semi. The Tesla truck weighs more then the diesel powered truck. Ie can't haul as much weight. But it's electric so your getting an additional 2k lbs because the feds want electric so bad. We can move on the charging... wait that infilstructure doesn't exist yet. Ok, that old chestnut eventually they will get there. No one knows what the maintenance costs are, it's reported Tesla is doing the maintenance free of charge for PepsiCo/lays. A disease powered truck goes for 10k miles at least before needing an oil change and hundreds of thousands of miles before much of anything else is needed. It's all virtue signaling at this point. When like can actually replace the capabilities of like then I'll get excited about it. Till then it's a waste of space.

Thanks for pointing out the real success story of PepsiCo's fleet, the CNG powered trucks which have been quietly delivering the goods with lower costs and GHG while the PR operation franticly tries to keep a Tesla running for the photo ops!

 

[gulfcoastguy]

I wish they'd put the freight back on rails, we don't need any MORE semi trucks on the Interstates, I don't care how they are powered.

I found something that I agree with you on. I will go further and say that most of the freight railways converted to bike paths should be reconverted. Then the railways should be electrified. That makes them agnostic on the source of electricity while being 20 times as efficient as trucks.

 

[turbobrick240]

I wish they'd put the freight back on rails, we don't need any MORE semi trucks on the Interstates, I don't care how they are powered.

Rail is good, but the electric Semis will be directly displacing diesel semis, so won't really be adding trucks to the roads. Rail should be displacing OTR trucking, but there are a number of logistical reasons that make trucks attractive to shippers.

 

[oilhammer]

Well if the electric semi truck idea is so fantastic, it will make them (trucks) MORE plentiful on the road, not less.

 

[turbobrick240]

That may be true. Who's to say that fully electrified rail won't also become much more competitive. But those same logistical advantages of trucking will remain.

 

[oilhammer]

I don't care if a team of thousands of cocaine-fed squirrels is pulling the train, I just miss the days of not having to weave in and out and around semi trucks clogging up I44 every day like I do now. Really stupid to see lines of them passing a vacant rail line that runs right alongside.

Taking something that is stupid, and making it [supposedly] cheaper and easier, doesn't fix the stupid.

The electric F150 is a good example of a solution to a problem that is only a problem because of stupidity. Because we certainly need more overpowered yet speed limited empty full sized pickups with giant cabs, long wheelbases, and tiny beds all over the roads, too.

I pass all those dolts, too. Funny when that 105 MPH speed limiter on some micro-penis guy's new Ram gets slapped down by a 23 year Golf with most of its paint gone.

Full disclosure: I love both my F-trucks. But I use them when I need them, not to drive around with empty. The 8ft bed on the F150 also insures I'm not the D-bag at Home Depot trying to figure out a way to stuff 10ft lumber in my 5.5ft bed.

 

[TomJD]

Not to mention the massive increase in road damage from the added weight of more semis and EVs.

 

[turbobrick240]

Not to mention the massive increase in road damage from the added weight of more semis and EVs.

Probably a draw when you factor in the reduction of asphalt damage caused by fuel and oil leaks. I know the Austin roadways turn into Mario kart after a decent rain if you don't have good tires. Lots of leakers driving around down there.

 

[wxman]

The massive amount of resources needed to manufacture electric semis relative to diesel semis precludes much environmental benefit for them, including GHG emissions.

 

[jmodge]

I'll definitely agree with putting freight on rails. Especially since they seem to put any video game champ behind the wheel of a rolling assault weapon nowadays. M57, A simple straight road running east and west to US131, semi truck rearends a car turning left, pinballs that car head on into an ambulance. ***? I'm pulling up to a light turning red at a major intersection and a semi blasts through the amber coming from the other way. Light was red as he went through it. I'm glad no one decided to jump out as soon as the light turned green, they might have ended up in my lap. Good thing there are still people who look both ways before crossing the street or slow down when they are coming to a congested area.
But, this is the generation that will influence the future more than mine. If they want to use "Megasites," or better known as large tracts of pristine wilderness, as locations for their battery plants rather than redeveloping dilapidated areas of Detroit, St. Louis, etc., oh well. I think overpopulation is going to get solved by people outsmarting themselves with machinery that thinks for itself so they don't have to pay attention to what's going outside their computors.

 

[turbodieseldyke]

If they want to use "Megasites," or better known as large tracts of pristine wilderness, as locations for their battery plants rather than redeveloping dilapidated areas of Detroit, St. Louis

Neighboring trees won't loot the factory or kill its workers on the way home.

 

[jmodge]

Neighboring trees won't loot the factory or kill its workers on the way home.

Another downside I missed

 

[turbobrick240]

Pepsi’s Tesla Semi Trucks Will Change Cargo Haulage Forever

Many have been skeptical that batteries would work for long-distance road freight transport. Pepsi's new Tesla Semis are about to prove them wrong.

www.forbes.com

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

"Forbes" doesn't have much credit in the trucking industry, they prefer "Fleet Owner".

 

[turbobrick240]

They probably prefer Asian Massage Monthly, but that's not of great import.

With Tesla Semi, the 500-mile run is a new benchmark

Last week, Tesla delivered its first battery-electric heavy-duty vehicle, the Semi, to PepsiCo. The long-awaited delivery (Tesla CEO Elon Musk initially promised delivery in 2019...

www.fleetowner.com

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Quit insulting truckers and anyone else who hasn't joined your Tesla cult. There's actually quite a bit of science in trucking, for example there's a group of truckers trying to achieve 9 MPG with 18 wheelers on Facebook and some of them are getting 10 and better.

 

[turbobrick240]

Not insulting, just poking fun. Whichever trucker solves the scientific dilemma of how to get a load of Coors from Texarkana to Atlanta in 28 hours will probably win the Nobel Prize.

 

[BamaB4S]

There were zero cars on Earth before 1900. What caused all the pre-1900 warming cycles? Campfires?

Let's blame it on Buffalo methane.

 

[turbodieseldyke]

Let's blame it on Buffalo methane.

I blame the Conquistadors. When they stopped the Aztecs from throwing virgins into the volcano, the gods got angry and quit regulating the Earth's temperatures.

 

[J_dude]

Neighboring trees won't loot the factory or kill its workers on the way home.

Maybe not loot, but kill..? Absolutely! Have you ever met a tree? Malicious creatures at best, had one try to strangle me with my own coat once. Not to mention when they ambush you from above.

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Actually East St.Louis is making a comeback as a logistics base- Cheap land with access to transport via river, railroads, truck, and a major airport a few miles away. The companies just put a tall fence around the property and guards at the gate and get down to business.

 

[dieseldonato]

I don't care if a team of thousands of cocaine-fed squirrels is pulling the train, I just miss the days of not having to weave in and out and around semi trucks clogging up I44 every day like I do now. Really stupid to see lines of them passing a vacant rail line that runs right alongside.

Taking something that is stupid, and making it [supposedly] cheaper and easier, doesn't fix the stupid.

The electric F150 is a good example of a solution to a problem that is only a problem because of stupidity. Because we certainly need more overpowered yet speed limited empty full sized pickups with giant cabs, long wheelbases, and tiny beds all over the roads, too.

I pass all those dolts, too. Funny when that 105 MPH speed limiter on some micro-penis guy's new Ram gets slapped down by a 23 year Golf with most of its paint gone.

Full disclosure: I love both my F-trucks. But I use them when I need them, not to drive around with empty. The 8ft bed on the F150 also insures I'm not the D-bag at Home Depot trying to figure out a way to stuff 10ft lumber in my 5.5ft bed.

This may be one of the funniest things I've read recently lol. I agree with some of it, most my trucks sit till I need one or want to go on a Sunday drive.. but I'd guess I must have a really small unit, by your standards. My 79 f350 super cab is 12v cimmins swapped, sits on 37" super swamper tsl, and has a kinda short bed.... I just take the 96 f250 to get boards... it's not as high.

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

I agree- Even though the 'electric F150 sounds like a great thing for the environment, it takes about twice as much scarce battery capacity as a 4 seat electric car. And unless you've got some very renewable electricity available for recharging, an electric F150 probably produces more Green House Gasses than a TDI fueled with E20!

 

[oilhammer]

They are kind of interesting, though, in that it isn't even an F150 at all underneath. It is its own platform, even has IRS. It is just easy because the F-trucks are still on an old fashioned body-on-frame arrangement, pickups are the only ones left like this (full frame cars died with the GM B-body and the Ford Panther). So it is easy to attach an F150 body (albeit modified, because it HAS to look weird for the zealots to like it) on to a rolling chassis that is its totally own thing. They could put a van body on it (they didn't... the eTransit is still the same unibody Transit just sans the Mustang powertrain) or a wienermobile body or whatever they wanted. But because the F150 has become Ford's flagship, and it was relatively easy, they chose that.

I laugh, though, at Ford's own lack of knowing their own customer base, and saying nonsense things like "fleets will love it". Nope, fleets don't buy $75k F150s with teeny beds and big cabs. They buy $25k strippers (usually white) regular cab, long bed, XL trim, with the [plenty adequate] base gasoline V6 engine, and they run the snot out of them. 50k+ miles on trucks that are not even two years off the assembly line is pretty common. ANd they drive them all over, constantly.

Not a day that goes by that we don't see one in here for service:

 

[turbobrick240]

One of the big things going for the F150 Lightning, imo, is the ability to power large loads in homes from the battery. That's cool. I also think it was smart to make it look fairly conventional. The stainless steel Cybertruck is radical, and the heavy stainless has an appeal, but I think the novelty of the aesthetic would wear off pretty quickly.

 

[nwdiver]

I laugh, though, at Ford's own lack of knowing their own customer base, and saying nonsense things like "fleets will love it". Nope, fleets don't buy $75k F150s with teeny beds and big cabs.

Sunrun Is Adding Ford F-150 Lightnings To Its Fleet

300 FORD F-150 LIGHTNING PICKUPS ADDED TO VESTAS FLEET

Sunbelt Rentals to Add 700 Ford F-150 Lightning Trucks to Fleet

Ford F-150 Lightning EV joins the U.S. Forest Service

FORD F-150 LIGHTNING PICKUPS ADDED TO SCE FLEET

Ford Lightning pickup trucks are joiningPittsburgh's city vehicle fleet

United Rentals Invests in Ford Electric Trucks for North American Fleet

 

[x1800MODMY360x]

Still a No for me!

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Sunrun Is Adding Ford F-150 Lightnings To Its Fleet

300 FORD F-150 LIGHTNING PICKUPS ADDED TO VESTAS FLEET

Sunbelt Rentals to Add 700 Ford F-150 Lightning Trucks to Fleet

Ford F-150 Lightning EV joins the U.S. Forest Service

FORD F-150 LIGHTNING PICKUPS ADDED TO SCE FLEET

Ford Lightning pickup trucks are joiningPittsburgh's city vehicle fleet

United Rentals Invests in Ford Electric Trucks for North American Fleet

All of the above are mostly for the managers to drive around the city in and virtue signal. Friend of mine does wind turbine service for Vestas, no way could a half ton carry their crew and all the gear, tools, and lubricants they haul. The real work is done by long bed trucks with the maximum GVW package and diesel engines!

 

[nwdiver]

Friend of mine does wind turbine service for Vestas, no way could a half ton carry their crew and all the gear, tools, and lubricants they haul.

.... but this is enough to carry the gear, tools and lubricants to maintain an offshore turbine >5x larger?

Pretty sure a my Tesla can carry more than that helicopter let alone a Ford Lightning.

 

[oilhammer]

Now the Tesla can FLY!!!! LMAO!!!