12 year old fuel

jason_

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As it says. 12 year and then some off road fuel. Safe to run in a tdi?

I don't see why. I goofed the other day and pumped in fresh off road. Wondered why it was 40cents cheaper. Ha, no taxes..

Other then straining it through something fine to make sure it's clean, if it still lights up, what's the harm?

I ended up with it from a deal of getting a fuel barrel. It's 6000 gallon tank, and there's probably 2000 gal left. I've been burning it in other engines, curious of opinions through a tdi. 09 cr


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oilhammer

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Well that fuel is not ULSD if it is indeed 12 years old, so it is the wrong fuel for a CR TDI to begin with.

ULSD didn't come here until 2006ish, and was a transitional thing so it wasn't everywhere all at once. But in 2002, it was nowhere.
 

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What about Malone and all that emissions unbolted from turbo?

Sulfur make a difference then?

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If you have removed emissions equipment you could probably run it. But you may get some intake clogging after a while as that fuel was not as clean as the newer ULSD is today (for the most part).
 

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Sounds like an egr delete and I'm all set. Now curious if it's worth it on $7500 of fuel.

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Running offroad fuel on the road is illegal. Fines can be in the five figure range. Not trying to pass moral judgment, just stating there is a risk.
 

jason_

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Running offroad fuel on the road is illegal. Fines can be in the five figure range. Not trying to pass moral judgment, just stating there is a risk.
Oh right.

"12 old fuel"....

Better?

Everyone knows the slogan.... Caught red you're dead.....


I want photos of dot dipping the tank of a car under 5k#.

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Does anyone even check fuel color anymore? Even back in the day I don't remember anyone every getting checked....at least not here.

Our farm fuel was purple.
 

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500 ppm fuel that has been sitting for over a decade? Not in my TDI.

Why not find a buyer for it? I'm sure there are plenty of doomsday preppers out there that would love to get their hands on it for their diesel generators.
 

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OK, it appears you've already made your own decision, and I'm not really sure why you posted asking the question if you didn't like what you were going to hear.
 

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a little used filtered motor oil ought to take care of the problem of red fuel I wouldn't dare put it in anything after an alh though...
 

jason_

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I kinda figured later tdis were sensitive. Damn it.

I agree. I've been running used transmission fluid in my idi 444 with a standyne and 12v 5.9 ppump for 30 years. Guess I'll burn it through those. Zombies come I'll have wheels. Emp blows, I'll have wheels. Sunflare passes, I'll have wheels.

Poor guys with electronic management will be walking...



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Well there is more lubricity in that fuel, but the higher sulphur would cause problems I'm sure.
Most states there's an initial fine + like $1k per gallon of red fuel in your tank.
If you have locking caps, they have to have a warrant before they can dip your tanks.
And you can't get around it by diluting it or saying it's ATF. It's a chemical reaction, like a litmus strip.
I wouldn't run it in anything common rail, nor with sensitive fuel injection systems.

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OK, it appears you've already made your own decision, and I'm not really sure why you posted asking the question if you didn't like what you were going to hear.
Kinda like the way many people troubleshoot.

Let's see. I will rationalize what the problem is without having an understanding of how the system works and then post my "theory" on the internet until I can find someone that supports my completely bogus understanding of the problem/system..............
 

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Ric Woodruff said:
Today, I dumped into my Ford tractor's fuel tank the last couple gallons of that ancient diesel fuel that I put into my TDI about 6 months ago (you know, the fuel that smells like paint thinner).

Shortly after starting, the engine quit. A white mist came out of the exhaust pipe during subsequent cranking to try to restart. Oh, no - water in fuel!!!

I yanked the fuel line off of the injector pump and let it drain for a while onto the ground. A bunch of crud was visible going into the fuel filter.

I reconnected the fuel line to the injector pump and cranked it. After about 10 seconds it started running, and after about another few seconds it ran like normal. Water must have been at the bottom of the tank.

The most curious thing about the old fuel is that it seems to run cleaner than ordinary (fresh) fuel. There is no detectable smoke, whereas normally exhaust is quite apparent, both visible and especially the smell.

I will be changing my fuel filter soon.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=205509
 

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Basically if emissions removed, and fuel is clean, anything goes?



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I ran 7 year old diesel in my Cummins, but it was only 10 gallons and mixed into 125 gallons total. I would be leery of running it in a newer TDI, the risk would not be worth the reward, IMO...Mark
 

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Kinda like the way many people troubleshoot.

Let's see. I will rationalize what the problem is without having an understanding of how the system works and then post my "theory" on the internet until I can find someone that supports my completely bogus understanding of the problem/system..............
Ain't that the truth?
 

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I can see the following problems:
- Fuel in question is off-road diesel. Running it in on-road equipment could result in HEAVY fines.
- Fuel is 12 years old. Can you say "time for algae to get well-established"? Unless you treat it with biocide and then filter it (and trust that the biocide has done its job properly), you're risking introducing a "starter" colony of algae into your tank. That's bad news.
- OP is in the USA, and drives a 2009 TDI. 12 years ago, the U.S. used 500 PPM fuel. A 2009 TDI has a DPF, which REQUIRES 15 PPM or lower fuel (a.k.a. ULSD), unless it's undergone a DPF delete (big-time illegal). You're going to damage a component that costs almost as much as that quantity of BRAND NEW ON-ROAD DIESEL would cost. To top it off, the "gunk" would run the risk of destroying your HPFP (a known weak point on the 2009), and any sign of deliberate misfueling (you can bet that VW would look it over VERY closely when that kind of money is involved) means no warranty.

My opinion: Biocide, filter, and use it up in an oil furnace.
 

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I can see the following problems:
- Fuel in question is off-road diesel. Running it in on-road equipment could result in HEAVY fines.
- Fuel is 12 years old. Can you say "time for algae to get well-established"? Unless you treat it with biocide and then filter it (and trust that the biocide has done its job properly), you're risking introducing a "starter" colony of algae into your tank. That's bad news.
- OP is in the USA, and drives a 2009 TDI. 12 years ago, the U.S. used 500 PPM fuel. A 2009 TDI has a DPF, which REQUIRES 15 PPM or lower fuel (a.k.a. ULSD), unless it's undergone a DPF delete (big-time illegal). You're going to damage a component that costs almost as much as that quantity of BRAND NEW ON-ROAD DIESEL would cost. To top it off, the "gunk" would run the risk of destroying your HPFP (a known weak point on the 2009), and any sign of deliberate misfueling (you can bet that VW would look it over VERY closely when that kind of money is involved) means no warranty.

My opinion: Biocide, filter, and use it up in an oil furnace.
+1 on algae growth-I would be VERY concerned running it in ANYTHING until it's been treated and filtered.
 

jason_

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Yeah, been running it through the idi 7.3 and 12v. They'll burn anything if it fits through the filter.

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What color is it? If its dark brown or even more black than brown =Bad I had about 1200 gallons of ~15 yr old fuel that came with a property. The most I ran it was an oil burner (stationary that is) - with an extra filter. It goes bad & definitely not ULSD - I believe up until 2012 - up to 2000ppm was the figure here in ny.
 
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