1.9 ASZ to 2.0 BKD.

[Tom.]

As above, I'm looking to change from a 1.9 PD130 engine, to the 2.0 PD140 engine.

To cut a long story short, trackday, white/blue smoke, down to 3 pistons.

What does it take to convert it to the newer 16v engine? I've spoken to Ryanp and he says my current ecu won't get on with the engine, and that mk5 platform ecu, won't work with the rest of the car. Just wondering if anyone can shed any more light on the situation, and what it will actually take?

The car is an 04 SEAT Ibiza PD130 with the ASZ lump.

Thanks in advance,
Tom.

 

[ryanp]

Look at the FSI conversions into Mk4's, they make the Mk5 engine run on a simple Mk4 loom, Crank trigger is the main hurdle!

 

[turbo johan]

Bore asz block and put bkd pistons in it.
run bkd head and asz ecu.
Easiest i think.

johan

 

[Lofty86]

Really, swapping heads will work? (with correct bore and pistons).
Id be more interested in this for sure..
Mate had a 16v head on his classic Mini for a while, from a bmw bike. Went like stink.
...Sorry, off topic.

Do all the water ways and oil ways align ok? And how do you go about setting up cam positions when putting the head on.. Suppose you just treat it like a normal 16v?

Any sensors on the 16v head that need mod'ing or any on the 8v block?
TIA Dave.

 

[Lofty86]

Oh Oh, my 'head supplyer has sorced me one already for next to nothing, but dont want to get it if its going to cost more than the big valve 8v im part way through doing.

What hp/torque are these heads good for?

Hoping im going to be selling my head and D24 inlet to fund this if ££/hp works out well.
D

 

[Tom.]

Thanks for the replies lads.

Johan. Have you seen 16v head on a bored out ASZ done before? Deffinately a route im interested in!

 

[3L3M3NT]

I was kind of wondering about this upgrade for my BEW and dropping in a BKD. I'm assuming there would be similar issues.............

 

[Lofty86]

Come on Vets', no one got any info or has done it and could be informative?
D

 

[borachris]

Bore asz block and put bkd pistons in it.
run bkd head and asz ecu.
Easiest i think.
johan

The ASZ ecu can control the BKD injectors?

I thought the BKD used the PPD injectors and could only be controlled by the siemens ECU?

I've only ever seen a 140 passat in bits up close and it definitely had the siemens stuff, or is it another case of some do and some don't?

 

[ryanp]

140 BKD's have Bosch injection. a few people have started making them work with Mk4 ECU/Wiring but i've never seen it finished!

 

[borachris]

140 BKD's have Bosch injection. a few people have started making them work with Mk4 ECU/Wiring but i've never seen it finished!

Interesting!

I'll have to look into that a bit more, might be worthwhile for the mk2 instead of blowing big bucks on a ported 8v head

 

[Lofty86]

... instead of blowing big bucks on a ported 8v head

Thats my thinking. (although I have an 8v head and its part ported).

But if the BKD head with the bosch version injectors will bolt onto my longitudinal AVF block with only a cambelt change , a change of pistons (which im going to do when rebore to 2.0) and a pair off diy manifolds (which Im going to be making for the 8v anyway too). Then I want one!!

I have got that right haven't I??

Which BKD head has the bosch injectors, or can they be changed anyway?

Someone said the BKD's have leaky heads?? True?

Sorry for the hijack, It just sounds like it would be a great mod to go with my rebore, 2066 etc.
Dave

Edit: Also, is it the BKD head thats the only 16v that will fit? D

 

[Carl2k7]

Really, swapping heads will work? (with correct bore and pistons).
Id be more interested in this for sure..
Mate had a 16v head on his classic Mini for a while, from a bmw bike. Went like stink.
...Sorry, off topic.

Do all the water ways and oil ways align ok? And how do you go about setting up cam positions when putting the head on.. Suppose you just treat it like a normal 16v?

Any sensors on the 16v head that need mod'ing or any on the 8v block?
TIA Dave.

the KN1100 head from the BMW takes a fair bit of modding to get it to fit on the 1.3 mini

 

[Lofty86]

the KN1100 head from the BMW takes a fair bit of modding to get it to fit on the 1.3 mini

Tell me about it!! Blocking water ways etc. Was fun though. And running a belt cam rather than a chain made it soooo much nicer to listen too.

 

[2footbraker]

ttt for more info on putting a bkd head on a brm block!

 

[turbo johan]

The ASZ ecu can control the BKD injectors?

I thought the BKD used the PPD injectors and could only be controlled by the siemens ECU?

I've only ever seen a 140 passat in bits up close and it definitely had the siemens stuff, or is it another case of some do and some don't?

As far as i can see it will work.
I'll build one in a while, i'll let you know when i have problems.

Johan

 

[Lofty86]

Back to the top im afraid...

So, BKD head is planned for my AVF. Just got to pick my new (2nd hand) block up for a rebore.

I am right in saying you'd just use the BKD cam belt kit?? or custom job?
Cant wait, but money, as always, is a limiting factor.
Dave

 

[sid_bora_tdi]

well if you want to drop a whole lump in why not get a car and swap everything over like people do for mk2 pd conversions , just take the whole cars loom and make it fit it does help if you are good with electrics though !

 

[Lofty86]

I thought that sid, but my electrical skills arnt much, and if i keep the same type of lump then the loom doesnt need touching, just stick it in and get it on a dyno for a tune basicly.
Also, my AVF ecu wouldnt controll the other engine from my understanding, and i really dont want to be making up looms and swapping ecu's. Its expencive enough as is! Ha.

 

[Scufi]

OK. This is the reason I`ve made an account.

I was interested in swapping heads for some time now.
The first problem you will have will be the water and oil channels which are quite different between the two.

You will need to adapt the timing chain accordingly with new tensioners.

There is a new tandem pump on it which has the fuel and vacuum pump.

Depending on the model year, the 2.0 PD can be found with vers 1.2 solenoid injectors or 1.1 piezo injectors (which fail like challenger rockets).

 

[Lofty86]

Nice info Scufi.

Iv been there done that when it comes to blocking and re-drilling water ways etc, but dont fancy it on a TDi tbh.

Shame it wasnt a bit easyer, but nevermind. Iv got my big 8v project head to fall back on. And manifold etc.

Dave.

 

[jos_br]

I have build an ASZ engine with a BKD (16v) head,

Jos.

 

[Scufi]

Jos,

Please be more generous with the details.

 

[Lofty86]

Jos,
Please be more generous with the details.

2nd that. Would love more info.
Although im not using the same exact block (AVF iv got), it would help me loads.
Dave.

 

[jos_br]

I have used the ASZ from an Ibiza because the oilhousing is the same as the BKD (lower than your AVF engine). I have also changed the wiring, poulie from the timingbelt and the alluminum support because the hydraulic steeringpomp and the extra poulie for the timingbelt.

Jos.

 

[Lofty86]

So Jos, you just bolted the head on the ASZ block and it fitted ok? Then used the BKD belt and pullys ?? All OEM parts by the look of it?
What was the wiring you had to do?
Dave

 

[Lofty86]

Also, will the ASZ block mate up to my 'box, because if its easyer to build then i would just get a ASZ block instead of the AVF.
Dave

 

[Scufi]

Nice info. The power steering pump gets in the way of .. ?
How did you managed with the new vacuum/fuel pump ?

The engine is up an running or just proof of concept ?

 

[jos_br]

You have to make a new wiring for injectors and glowplugs. The car (golf V)which use the BKD has no powersteering pump.

Jos.

 

[Scufi]

Yes, you are correct about BKD power steering. I want to know if the hydraulic pump found on 1.9 must be removed or can be kept after fitting the 2.0 head and belts.