1-1-2015 Ho5G GTG

Mcgink

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I-Red,"The Passat formerly known as Harlequin" 97 B4, a non VW GTDI too
Happy New Year to all. Hope everyone has a better 2015. Even though I didn't make it to this one, I've always enjoyed the famous HO5G events. I'll be starting my trek up from FL tonight.
 

Campbellonh

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Happy New Year! The party was great, thank you for opening your home and garage to us, thanks Mark for helping check my timing.
 

muddflaps

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Thank You again Peter and Julie! The sway bar install was a success and it was great to meet and talk with everyone today. Happy New Year!
 

n1das

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Happy New Year to all. Hope everyone has a better 2015. Even though I didn't make it to this one, I've always enjoyed the famous HO5G events. I'll be starting my trek up from FL tonight.
Happy New Year to all!

I'm bummed that Lisa and I missed another great New Year's Day GTG at the Ho5G. We wil be starting our trek up to NH from Cocoa Beach FL tomorrow morning.
 
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Jetter_Sprinta

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I just read the "before and after" of sway bars. I have added it to my list. :)

Thanks to everyone for the help and appreciation of my Jetter. Thanks especially to Dave and Mark for the exhaustive effort on my pesky missing bolts and assorted list items! I hope things went well on your efforts with Bob's B4. You guys are Princes. :cool:

Thanks also, Jason, for tackling my convenience mod. I switched lanes on the way home just so I could use it!

Thank you Peter and Julie, as always, for being such fantastic hosts. I have my fingers crossed for that little spring thing you mentioned. My Jetter is getting very attached to your garages.
 

Abacus

That helpful B4 guy
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Dave and I got Bob's injection pump problems straightened out and he's on his way back to snowy western NY. I left Dave's place at 2AM and Dave was just finishing some minor things for Bob (and trying to pawn parts off on him). I arrived home at 4:20 AM just in time for a little shuteye before being to work at 7AM. I'll do a writeup when I'm more coherent and at least semi-lucid.

Thanks to Peter and Julie for a great event, sorry I was so busy working on cars that I never really socialized. It was great to see everyone, as usual.
 
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MikeS_18

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Bow, NH
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'03 Jetta Wagon, '13 Passat SE, '64 Ford Econoline
Sorry I could not make it this year. I had to work in the morning and then make a run to drop my son off as he's back to college this morning early. Then it just got too late.

Sounds like a good time had by all, along with that H05G tradition of that one car that would refuse to get fixed.

Happy New Year everybody.
 

Abacus

That helpful B4 guy
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Now that was funny! I always thought Mass cars were exempt from turn signals since they never get used anyway.

Sorry I didn't have time to do the install or put the T-bolt in. I'll make something that will be fool-proof and give it another go in the spring when it comes out of hibernation.
 

Sootman

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Maine Coast
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2011 Golf TDI
Thanks Julie and Peter for another great Ho5G! Always so good to see so many friends. As usual great cooking, friends and wrenching.
 

VeeDubTDI

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Dave and I got Bob's injection pump problems straightened out and he's on his way back to snowy western NY. I left Dave's place at 2AM and Dave was just finishing some minor things for Bob (and trying to pawn parts off on him). I arrived home at 4:20 AM just in time for a little shuteye before being to work at 7AM. I'll do a writeup when I'm more coherent and at least semi-lucid.

Thanks to Peter and Julie for a great event, sorry I was so busy working on cars that I never really socialized. It was great to see everyone, as usual.

How did Bob's Passat turn out? Is it running better now?
 

Abacus

That helpful B4 guy
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How did Bob's Passat turn out? Is it running better now?
(Disclaimer: I am running on less than 2 hours sleep, so I blame any errors on that)

Bob's B4 had two problems. He'd been battling a power drop-off for awhile now and we were unable to remove the case pressure relief (/regulating) valve (CPRV) that was suspected to be the problem. It was stuck tight, and when I say tight, I mean tight enough to snap a Snap-On 10mm wrench when I tried to remove it last September during the pump reseal.




Bob also tried to remove it to no avail, so I modified a socket that would get it out or break it off in the process.




Unfortunately I never got the chance because the CPRV was damaged in the attempted removal process before he came back east.




It was hit on the top with the hopes it would break the seal between the threads and pump. It was a great idea, unfortunately the head of the CPRV is not like the head of a bolt, so when it was hit, it broke rather than knocking it loose since the head is unsupported underneath at the edges.

His car was running like crap as HO5G as anyone can attest. Very hard starting, VERY smokey, and very noisy. Bob said it got a lot worse after the attempted removal, which led us to believe the problem was the CPRV as nothing else was touched.

The VCDS scan looked good with the exception of the IQ wandering around and the timing, which was quite retarded and not where I left it a few months ago when I installed the new timing belt.




I spoke with TDIDaveNH and we came up with the idea to drive it to Dave's shop in Fryeburg, Maine where we could adequately work on it since he has everything at his shop (including his timing belt tools) and just stripped out a B4. We were concerned with the threads stripping out of the IP rendering the B4 useless without a new IP. I brought my old one with me for parts or swap, but it did have 441,136 miles on it when I pulled it. It still ran fine, but wasn't the best choice. I also loaned my timing belt tools to jjcsnlynn and they were in transit on the way back. Dave had the tools and a spare IP he was willing to give Bob should his be ruined in the process. Since the CPRV was toast, Dave came up with the idea of welding a bolt to the top, which would give a purchase for removal and allow the heat to hopefully break things up internally to free it.

I was on a very limited schedule since I was on-call for work and someone was covering while I was away. As such I had to cut short the projects for Jetter_Sprinta and head out, saying goodbye to friends and our gracious hosts. My apologies, Chris.

We drove the three B4's 130 miles one way to Dave's shop, arriving at 9:40PM and started getting ready, which meant moving the stripped out B4 carcass "Popemobile" into another section to make room for Bob's B4.




Dave called ahead for pizza because it'd been awhile since we had anything. I was completely flabbergasted! Imagine, a pizza place in western Maine open until 10PM!!! He also bought paper towels since he brought the last 6 rolls to HO5G, and starting fluid to use as parts cleaner. In that area, you use what you can get.

We were contemplating swapping Dave's spare IP onto the car when Bob remembered issues with his A3 Jetta TDI years ago. He had another IP swapped on that had a different part number that was supposed to be compatible but the electronics internally were different and it wouldn't work properly. He checked the IP number of Dave's IP and it was 0460404990 and his ended in 982. The electrical junction box on the side was also a different part number. I just swapped to a 970 in my B4 so I knew that would work but none of us had any idea definitively if the 990 pump would work, and we could find nothing on the boards, just that they were 'compatible'.

We checked all three B4's present and two other IP's and all five were the 982 IP's and came from B4's. The 990 IP Dave had was a smooth case from a '96 B4 but the QA also looked different in one area. So we conferred and decided to try fixing his first using parts from the IP I just swapped since they were known to work. Quite a dilemma: a high mileage but known good IP, an unknown junkyard IP with different numbers, or repair what was there.

Upon removing the QA, we discovered the passenger's rear bolt was loose, like not even finger tight. I suspect this was the cause of the IQ fluctuations but the CPRV still had to come out. The QA hole was stuffed with a towel and then sealed against foreign object intrusion so Dave could weld. Dave was going to make a cover plate on his milling machine but we opted for some heat rated flexible metal self-sealing barrier instead (since he was out of Duct tape :p).





Dave did reduce a bolt to the correct size on his metal lathe (didn't I tell you he had everything?) to weld on the top, then hauled out the Tig welder.




The end result:




Which promptly sheared even more of the CPRV off.




(Continued...)
 
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Abacus

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Continued...

So Dave prepped the surface again...




And welded a second time, cleaning up the bolt more on the lathe.





...and it sheared off again. There was no way for him to get a good bead on the side nearest the timing belt, and not enough penetration on the side he could reach.

Sometimes brute force is required and I decided to try the chisel method to snap it free, with none of us really convinced it'd work. I tried this at HO5G but couldn't get a decent angle on it with the QA in the way.




And that time it moved!

I was expecting to see it mangled or at least something wrong with it, but...




...Nope. It looked completely normal other than having no head on it. The threads were also fine inside the pump body. Dave thinks the heat loosened it up and I think he's right.

We decided to keep the same QA but definitely replace the top cover, bolt, and CPRV with ones off my IP. I tossed one of the few reminaing keystones in it for good measure.

(This is what it looked like originally)



I replaced the top and QA seals as well as the copper washers around the check valve since mine was the swap from one that had failed.

Just a word of caution for anyone buying the VE Bosch Seal Kit from AutohausAZ, look carefully at the contents of the kit. It appears to be exactly the same kit everyone else sells, right down to the same Bosch labels on the plastic. But unless there are some egg shaped fittings I haven't found yet, I'm thinking these were kicked around some.




We primed it and it took nothing to draw fuel, then pushed it outside so the shop didn't fill completely with smoke. Bob had a crank for a few seconds for it to start but it started and ran fine, even with the IQ at 18. I went back and forth a few times to get it settled to 5.2 (he has Sprint injectors) but it came in fine and much easier than when I resealed it.

He started/stopped it a few times and it started right up every time. I set the timing so it was more acceptable and easier starting in winter.




Finished!




After I adjusted the timing there was a horrible squeal from the belt area, and I had the same exact squeal sound the day before Christmas on the way to Dave's that was a failed serpentine pulley.

Bob ordered one because his roller back in September was dry so I greased it until he could get another, and you know how life goes by so fast sometimes.... I had a new one in my parts box so we tossed that on and Dave lubed up the rusting tensioner/shaft junction while he was in there.




But the new pulley had the same squeal. It was when Bob moved the top timing belt cover that the noise went away. Bob and Dave removed and reset it and said it took the both of them to get it back on correctly due to the upper timing belt cover center screw. I feel bad that it wasn't the roller but it needed replacing anyway.

By this time it was 2AM and I was LONG overdue being back, but I couldn't leave someone in a lurch. Dave was pawning off parts to Bob when I left so I don't know how long he stayed. Bob was heading out right after for the 8+ hour drive home to western New York. I finally arrived home at 4:20 AM after a 110 mile drive at the speed limit (due to bored police with nothing better to do in rural Maine), which seems really slow.

So that's the saga. Good times and lots of fun. It's adventures like this you remember, not the mundane. In the course of the repairs, we found an arcing starter junction for Bob to fix, but it's minor right now. We also found some chafe points to address. I wish I had time to run some VCDS logs but there was no way that was happening since I had to be at work by 7AM. I'll see if he has a computer and will mail him my Vag-Com cable to run the logs himself if he does. I'm dying to know if this cured his power fall-off issue. It starts easily now and Bob says it isn't smoking from what he can see when he ran for fuel and to warm up the car.
 
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cevans

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That is one heck of a fix!
 

TDIDaveNH

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North Conway, NH
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'97 Passat x2
LOL, good times. Great to see so many familiar faces once and ever again. Thanks to P&J for opening their digs for all of us, it was a great time with perfect weather.

Bob rolled out for New York at 2:30ish, I offered for him to stay at my place in Center Conway but he wanted to get right back, a wise decision since he transited the area on Interstate 93 south bound hours before the snow squall that made for a 50+? car pile-up this morning on the north bound side.
Wow, Mark you are a picture taking ninja, didn't realize you were taking so many pics, nice job. This is the only one I got:

Done & done
 
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Jetter_Sprinta

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I was on a very limited schedule since I was on-call for work and someone was covering while I was away. As such I had to cut short the projects for Jetter_Sprinta and head out, saying goodbye to friends and our gracious hosts. My apologies, Chris.
:eek: WOW!! First of all, are you kidding me?! I wish you would have left my poorly mannered and tiny A3 engine bay so you could get rolling on Bob's B4. :(
Secondly, I am hoping that by comparison, my car and is looking pretty good!
 

VeeDubTDI

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Wow that is a pretty incredible adventure! You guys are awesome for helping out a clubber in need. :cool:

It was great seeing everyone again, and a special thanks to Peter and Julie for putting up with us and our stinky dog. Next time he is going to get a sign on his collar that says "people food results in putrid farts; please don't feed me" ;)

See some of you in Detroit in a couple of weeks!
 

BeetleGo

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It was great to see the old, and encouraging to see the new. Julie and Peter, it looks like this one was a success too!

Happy New Year everybody!
 

tdidieselbobny

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I finally have internet this morning(it wasn't working when I arrived home yesterday-thanks Time Warner:mad:)First off-thank you Peter and Julie for hosting the GTG-it always is a good time with mucho food and drink.Second,I can't thank Mark and Dave enough for the help they gave me Thursday. These 2 guys are the best IMO. I never before met Dave that I can recall at previous Ho5 GTG,and well,everyone knows how Mark is always willing to help someone(even though he said he wasn't going to do it anymore after a bad experience a couple years ago:p). Mark's pics and description say it all about the car. I made it home around 1:10pm Friday-took 2 power naps,and ended up being a 1228 mile roundtrip adventure in 36hours;). Always good food and good times!!!
 

Abacus

That helpful B4 guy
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Glad to hear you made it home safely, just a few hours after you passed by Exit 24 on I-93NH there was a 50+ car pileup due to the snow. One car even created a big fire when it hit a semi trailer. I hoped you weren't in the mess.




Dave and I couldn't just let you fight with your car when it wasn't running correctly, and it sounded horrible. He's a good guy to know and not just in a pinch (he's bailed me out more than once), lots of knowledge there and a lot of fun to wrench on B4's with, as you found out.

When I said I wouldn't wrench anymore I excluded family and friends, so you'd fit into the latter category unless I'm missing some branches off the family tree. Although some on this board I consider friends or extended family even though we've never met.

I just meant I wouldn't pick up any strays seeking a cheap shadetree pseudo-mechanic they can use and never see again. I've still bailed local people out of dire straits when the need arose since it's not in my nature to turn someone away from help but there is a large difference between a need and a want.

I can write up and print off instructions on how to extend the glow plug time as well as run some logs. It'd help the starting and running of your car to fine-tune it since we didn't get a chance. Some one of these times you should come out and stay a few days, imagine what we could get done then. We have plenty of room at the house for the whole family but spring/summer is a better time. Now that the new 3 bay garage is done maybe we'll host a GTG next year. There is no lift but that's the way it goes.

 
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Abacus

That helpful B4 guy
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It was actually my wife's idea. No more wrenching in the open driveway or under a 10x10 pop-up shelter. I still need to wire it and install air but those are no big deal.
 
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