06 Jetta TDI died on freeway, won't start back up.

Texas_sky

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Valve Cover off didn't see anything abnormal. Here is a video and some pics to check out. Was
really hoping that tandem pump was broken! :confused:



https://photos.app.goo.gl/grsAZ1LxVhv12Yii8


https://photos.app.goo.gl/e26cdhXG5KMtZemj7


Guess I'll plan to tow it to the shop Monday they will hit me for $80 on the diag fee, can't keeping waiting any longer not knowing what is wrong.
This was my daily driver and my job vehicle, now I'm driving a cargo van to grocery store. ;):rolleyes: I'm going to move on to the mkv 2.5 jetta with current gas prices I can find low mileage 2.5's for $2000-3000 in good shape with under 150k. They're a dime a dozen, probably more parts and more people that work on them. MPG not that great but with gas low and diesel high I just don't see myself buying another brm. I'm almost positive this is human error someone who did the cam and timing belt messed something up. I've never heard of a well maintained brm just dying and not being able to start with only 144k. Come on and die young... ! Too bad this isn't Germany India or Mexico, would have had it fixed by now. Even in a liberal place like Denver you can't find any decent vw audi diesel tdi techs. All the good ones are in the Mid West, Tx or East Coast. Let it hail! I just put comp on the car today.
 
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Valve Cover off didn't see anything abnormal. Here is a video and some pics to check out. Was
really hoping that tandem pump was broken! :confused:



https://photos.app.goo.gl/grsAZ1LxVhv12Yii8


https://photos.app.goo.gl/e26cdhXG5KMtZemj7


Guess I'll plan to tow it to the shop Monday they will hit me for $80 on the diag fee, can't keeping waiting any longer not knowing what is wrong.
This was my daily driver and my job vehicle, now I'm driving a cargo van to grocery store. ;):rolleyes: I'm going to move on to the mkv 2.5 jetta with current gas prices I can find low mileage 2.5's for $2000-3000 in good shape with under 150k. They're a dime a dozen, probably more parts and more people that work on them. MPG not that great but with gas low and diesel high I just don't see myself buying another brm. I'm almost positive this is human error someone who did the cam and timing belt messed something up. I've never heard of a well maintained brm just dying and not being able to start with only 144k. Come on and die young... ! Too bad this isn't Germany India or Mexico, would have had it fixed by now. Even in a liberal place like Denver you can't find any decent vw audi diesel tdi techs. All the good ones are in the Mid West, Tx or East Coast. Let it hail! I just put comp on the car today.

Keep us posted on what they find. Where are you taking it if you say there's no decent TDI mechanics in the Denver area? With the huge population there I'd think that would be impossible but I'm not familiar with the area.

Did you source the recommended TDI mechanics thread?!?

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=130044
 
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Keep us posted on what they find. Where are you taking it if you say there's no decent TDI mechanics in the Denver area? With the huge population there I'd think that would be impossible but I'm not familiar with the area.

Did you source the recommended TDI mechanics thread?!?

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=130044



So....what's the latest Sky????? Did you make it to the shop today?
Inquiring minds want to know
 

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So....what's the latest Sky????? Did you make it to the shop today?
Inquiring minds want to know

Still trying to get a tow, I found a guy at the dealer few miles away who can work on it after hours. Yes there are a shortage of TDI VW/AUDI mechanics here compared to Germany and other countries. The 06 jetta was way under produced, they should have kept the brm going from 05-10 in this country, more people would be familiar with it. Very small percentage are. My next car will be a 2.5 and eventually a 1.4T that gets almost the same mileage as a TDI. Also 2015 tdi engine under produced, will lead to the same problem with brm, no one knows how to work on them and less parts available.
 
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There are just too many to list....
Plenty of people know how to service them properly, you just haven't found one. Lots of butchered 2.5Ls out there, too. Idiots are idiots, no matter what they touch.
 

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The VW guys down the road @ the dealer flaked. Found a Audi guy I think they should have the tools right. There is also Hardy Motor werks in Parker. They charge 80 for a diagnosis. I just need a answer, anyone want to fly in, flight on me.
 

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The VW guys down the road @ the dealer flaked. Found a Audi guy I think they should have the tools right. There is also Hardy Motor werks in Parker. They charge 80 for a diagnosis.
In my experience, the guys who do free diagnosis tend towards being guys who will toss parts at it until the problem goes away. That tends to get expensive.

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Audi Mechanic is coming tomorrow, we are going to test the fuel pump and then check timing and torsion value with VCDS. How long does it take to replace a fuel pump hour or two? Any under dash relays that I should look into that could be a factor to rule out? Also is there a way to test the tandem pump from being bad or good to rule that out? There is no way you can open it up and look inside, seems like a sealed unit.


UPDATE: Tech came by we put the valve cover back on after inspecting everything inside the head, turned key got it to run but is making a tapping noise so he thinks it's a timing issue, CE light came on for the first time, he left his cable accidentally, but is coming back by later this evening to scan the code and we'll know more what's going on. Will update later. The engine wants to run but is making a tapping noise when running. As of now we suspect somehow the timing is not correct. TB was done 8000 miles ago at a VW dealer in MT.


If anyone that has watched video that wants to chime in/forward link, I can pass it along to the Audi tech, he doesn't mess with BRM too much but he said he would look up the specs this afternoon.
 
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These are the codes we pulled today with VCDS, they all went away after cranking a few times, starts and runs for a couple seconds and knocks/taps real loud then dies like before. Also wanted to make note the #1 injector plug was unplugged underneath the valve cover which we plugged back in which was the P1666 code. We pulled the boost hose and checked the throttle body regulating flap and it was open. Want to make note that both of these two fault codes went away after cranking on it and getting it to run for a couple seconds and didn't reappear once we did a re-scan. The engine is tapping and knocking for the 2-3 seconds it stays running.





Sunday,31,May,2020,03:47:13:45797
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 20.4.1.0
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWDT71K66M034240 License Plate:



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Chassis Type: 1K (9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
75 76

VIN: 3VWDT71K66M034240
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AC HW: 028 101 223 9
Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000DG 7551
Revision: --H02--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4485099
Coding: 0050078
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: E4CD876127E9DAA60F-80B0

2 Faults Found:
008213 - Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor (Bank 1)
P2015 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 231860 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 01:40:37

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 2478 /min
Speed: 115.0 km/h
Load: 20.0 %
Voltage: 14.29 V
Mass Air / Rev.: 180.0 mg/str
Duty Cycle: 61.5 %
Bin. Bits: 00000000

005734 - PD Unit Injector; Cylinder 1 (N240)
P1666 - 000 - Electrical Malfunction
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01110000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 232123 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 03:15:58

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 2814 /min
Speed: 126.0 km/h
Load: 96.5 %
Voltage: 14.36 V
Inj. Quantity: 0.28 mg/str
Temperature: 76.5°C
(no units): 16.0

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
Part No SW: 02E 300 043 HW: 02E 927 770 AE
Component: GSG DSG 070 1126
Revision: 04507000 Serial number: 00000606300237
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: D1A35EB5485B5F0E54-8084

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0021122
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: F3EFF43D92074D1E86-80A6

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BJ HW: 1K0 907 044 BJ
Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0909
Revision: 00090016 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: F0E5FB31E31176067B-80A4

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501
Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000000431636
Coding: 14018E234004150007140000001400000028770B5C0000
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: B777002DC6FFE13E7A-80E2

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 250806 020 0501
Coding: 00038805
Shop #: WSC 00066

4 Faults Found:
01505 - Bulb for Blinkers; Rear Right (M8)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 19
Mileage: 225538 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.35 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF

00988 - Lamp for Brake Light; Right (M10)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 19
Mileage: 227400 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 14.25 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
ON

02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 8
Reset counter: 46
Mileage: 228239 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 13.95 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
ON

01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 26
Mileage: 227501 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
OFF
Voltage: 12.70 V
OFF
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D05LDRD
Coding: 0013889
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: ECDDEF41CF3992E647-80B8

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME112D0701$

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME1144137B4

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME0A3B5D34G

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME0A2D510A9

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0A03050DY

Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0A180A1E5

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AS HW: 1K0 953 549 AS
Component: J0527 035 0070
Coding: 0012021
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 830FA4FDC2A77D9E96-80D6

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150
Revision: H12 Serial number: 31001066290489
Coding: 3FFF0B620F001002
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: AC5D2F410FB952E607-80F8

1 Fault Found:
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 25
Mileage: 227501 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 07:35:52


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 C HW: 3C0 959 760 C
Component: Sitzverstellung 1001
Revision: 00004000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: AD5B224534A35BEE10-80F8

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 051 0215
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0888F0488DC00
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: F4EDF72197094A269F-80A0

Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted

Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted

Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 242
Time Indication: 0


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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.clb
Part No: 1K6 035 456 A
Component: 08K Audioverst. 0005
Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000007269
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: AA512959054D4CD6F5-80FE

1 Fault Found:
00876 - Treble Speaker Rear Left (R14)
011 - Open Circuit

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 G HW: 1K0 035 180 G
Component: Radio DE2 145 0175
Revision: 00145000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7F2124883
Coding: 0010400
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: A44DC76167699AA6CF-80F0

5 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21)
011 - Open Circuit
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23)
011 - Open Circuit
00872 - Bass Speaker Rear Left (R15)
011 - Open Circuit
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17)
011 - Open Circuit
00003 - Control Module
014 - Defective

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:06)--------------------------
 
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Tow it up here, I'll fix it.

Great idea. I'm picking up a dolly end of the month, so I may take you up on that, just down I-70 past KC not too far for me. :D What do you charge to install a engine? Any re-builders around there in STL you trust?
 
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Just on VCDS, how do you check it manually? The belt is on there tight.
You have to set the mechanical timing by setting tdc, and the hole on the cam sprocket should line up with the hole behind it. It's easier than the older engines for sure!

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Great idea. I'm picking up a dolly end of the month, so I may take you up on that, just down I-70 past KC not too far for me. :D What do you charge to install a engine? Any re-builders around there in STL you trust?

It is 13.8 hr labor to R&R a BRM long block. We are $135/hr. The engine that is in the car may be able to be fixed, it may not. My first plan of attack would be to take the cam/lifters out, drop the oil pan, and that will at least let me see most of the engine to try and determine where that awful bad mechanical noise is coming from. I suspect (judging by the sound of it) it would be pretty obvious.

So long as the crank is good, and the cylinder walls are OK, you can pretty much just about overhaul that engine right in the car.
 

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I'm sure you do good work but I don't think these cars are worth paying $135 per hr. I mean look at the value on these cars well under $5k. I'll keep looking around here or possibly consider going to Mexico or Dallas/Houston has good mechanics that are fair that I know of.


How much to swap a good used engine? Strait labor price by the job?
 

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There are just too many to list....
Our shop is jammed full, so lots of people DO think it is worth it. I'm finishing up $3k worth of work on a 2000 Jetta with well over 200k miles on it right now. Doing another $2k worth of mostly elective work on a 2011 Sportwagon, plus we are replacing an engine in a Nissan Murano (used), an engine in a Chevrolet Captiva (new), and an Audi Q5 (new). :cool:
 

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I'm sure you do good work but I don't think these cars are worth paying $135 per hr. I mean look at the value on these cars well under $5k. I'll keep looking around here or possibly consider going to Mexico or Dallas/Houston has good mechanics that are fair that I know of.


How much to swap a good used engine? Strait labor price by the job?
You get what you pay for. The shop I work at has a $80/hr shop rate in central Missouri. We mostly do trucks, but I'm the Volkswagen guy so we do them to.
There's another guy who is just down the road from us who charges around $50 an hour, but doesn't do diagnostics. He's just a parts changer.

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Oil, Does your shop charge the actual amount of time that a job takes?
I remember some VW dealer service departments just use their "book labor charges" and the job takes less actual time.
Your timing belt replacement total price was a little bit cheaper then my mechanic on my 2006 Jetta TDI in Virginia and your labor rate was higher.
I was just curious,
TDICube
 

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Oil, Does your shop charge the actual amount of time that a job takes?
I remember some VW dealer service departments just use their "book labor charges" and the job takes less actual time.
Your timing belt replacement total price was a little bit cheaper then my mechanic on my 2006 Jetta TDI in Virginia and your labor rate was higher.
I was just curious,
TDICube
We use a somewhat flexible flat rate book time system, Alldata mainly, but we have Mitchell as a backup. It is not always bang on accurate, unfortunately. So as a tech, you win some you lose some. And honestly a lot of it comes back to the level of difficulty as well as what all you are doing to the car. It is an imperfect system, but we (especially me personally) try to be as fair as possible.

In most cases for what we tend to refer to as "gravy" jobs, it favors the technician. And in many of those cases, the charge to the customer is NOT the flat rate time. Instances of this would be brakes, oil changes, most filters, fluid changes, etc. The book time for the rear brake pads and rotors on a 4th gen Golf/Jetta is 1.6hr. Here that would come to $216...just for labor alone. We never charge that. We charge a base $99 per axle for the brakes. The techs get paid what the book time is, or close to it. Those times tend to get distilled down to averages for simplicity.

Something more involved, more technical, requiring more gray matter and special tools, tends to be charged more time, and rarely if ever gets reduced. So if a timing belt job that we would include a water pump, rollers, etc. on calls for 3.8hr, chances are we'll just charge a flat 4 hr.

Keep in mind, a tech can stack a lot of work up on one car. I can be draining the engine oil and transmission oil, both of which required racking the car and taking the shield off, while I am rotating the tires. I get paid for all three of those things separately, but I am doing them all at once. But we try and favor the customer whenever we can, too. Like if a car needs front brakes and one front hub bearing assembly, we know the brakes have to come apart on one side already to do that hub, so we usually won't charge the full amount...at least I don't.

I tend to be super detail oriented, OCD a bit, so often times BIG jobs may take me a while. The Audi Q5 I am replacing the engine on currently pays 13.3hr. That is what the customer will be charged. I will probably have closer to 16 in it. Because I spend time to fix any wire harness tape that has come loose, I clean the threads on any questionable fasteners or threaded holes in the body, I discharged the A/C rather than fight leaving the compressor attached while I R&R the engine, etc. It is just too big of a job to rush. Quality over quantity.

I just wish some of my coworkers did the same. Instead, they see a job time, and figure they HAVE to AT LEAST do it faster, regardless of if they've ever done the job before, then they fight and curse and break things, and have to play crisis manager going back together. That coolant flange that was not cleaned up and got stuck back on is now leaking, and it is buried in the bowels of the engine somewhere.... :rolleyes:
 

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Since you don't work on your own car, sell the darn thing. It's not worth the labor to fix it. You'll sleep much better at night. I would dump my BRM but I like a challenge. :D
 

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Since you don't work on your own car, sell the darn thing. It's not worth the labor to fix it. You'll sleep much better at night. I would dump my BRM but I like a challenge. :D

Can't sell it, only has 144k package 2, mint interior because it came from Montana probably has something to do with it. Paid $3k so if I spend a little more to fix I'm still ok. I found a local VW AUDI shop SALTA that will look at it for free, they said they do a 1 hr inspection and then let you know from there what the cost will be, I'm running low on AAA tows so I'll wait to dolly it over in about 3 weeks when I get back into town. I do work on my own cars I just don't swap motors/transmissions do timing belts, diag or electrical work.
 
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Thanks for the reply Oil. One of my long-time trusted mechanics is way up front. If he says a car component needs replacing, it needs replacing. I appreciate the honesty.
One reason I asked you that question; I was wondering about the DSG oil replacement charges.
My new go to VW mechanic is about half the price of my old mechanic on a DSG change.
Is that because the old mechanic charged drain time while car was on a lift?
Did the new mechanic have a vacuum or pressurized oil change system to reduce lift time?
I remember one VW mechanic saying that the timing belt change parts on my 2006 Jetta VW TDI were more expensive then his next GTI timing belt replacement but the GTI was a harder job. Both job costs were about the same after labor.

Thanks for all your information,
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There are just too many to list....
The 02E DSG has several applications... the draining and filling process is the same, however some cars have more involved lower shields/braces/plates to deal with, some cars require the air filter be removed for filter access, some require battery and battery tray be removed, some cars there is literally nothing in the way of the filter at all. So book time would always depend on the application, but in the case of the BRM, it is not too bad. Easy splash shield, air cleaner needs to come out but that is pretty easy.

Still, book time for just the DSG filter is 1.5 hr. Which is ridiculous, but that is the published (Alldata) time. Fluid is another .5... so according to Alldata (who "says" gets all their info directly from the manufacturer), the labor time alone for a DSG service would be 2 hours...add in retail price of a filter, o-ring, and 4.5L of fluid, and you can see how the cost of this one service *could* be quite expensive. I think we do something like $250 total for all the 02Es' fluid/filter services, regardless of application. Again, win some, lose some. A 2015 CVCA (TDI) Beetle Convertible, for instance, calls for 1.7hr on the filter, and 1.1hr for the fluid. That car needs the air cleaner, battery, battery tray, all removed, AND since it is a 'vert, it has the extra metal bracing underneath with 12 different fasteners (that is ALWAYS mashed and twisted up). I'd make time on the BRM.... not necessarily on the CVCA 'vert. And I think it is just an hour (part of that $250) we charge and I get paid.
 

TDICube

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Oil,
Thanks for the information.
That is about what I paid at my current independent for a DSG service. Where I previously lived, two shops quoted me $400 and $450.
I am still amazed how well the 06 TDI Jetta drives. In a lot of ways our 06 is nicer then our 17 Jetta SE 1.4l.

TDICube
 
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oilhammer

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outside St Louis (where it's safe)
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There are just too many to list....
Well the 2006 Jetta is still a "real" Ax platform car... meaning, it is still a sedan version of the Golf. The 2017 is the NCS, and is a much cheapened platform.

There is a reason why the base price of a 2010 Jetta was around $20k and the base price of a 2011 Jetta was less than $15k. And it wasn't just the engine.

Granted, some of the cheapening gradually went away going forward, and depending on trim/engine choice some were not as bad to begin with.
 

MrBigTruck

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Kansas, USA
TDI
2000 Beetle, 2000 GTI ALH swap, 2006 Jetta, 2006 Jetta, 2008 Mercedes GL320 CDI
Oilhammer,

Does your shop work on cars with EGR deletes, DPF deletes, etc? Need some work done on my Mercedes CDI sometime in the near future.
 

Texas_sky

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Dec 23, 2007
Location
ATX/Mile Hi
TDI
2001 GOLF TDI 2dr 5spd
Oil,
Thanks for the information.
That is about what I paid at my current independent for a DSG service. Where I previously lived, two shops quoted me $400 and $450.
I am still amazed how well the 06 TDI Jetta drives. In a lot of ways our 06 is nicer then our 17 Jetta SE 1.4l.

TDICube

Why do you think your 06 TDI is better then the 17 Jetta SE 1.4t? I'm sure the 1.4t is less complex and cheaper to fix and gets almost same fuel economy and quieter. They brought back the rear independent suspension around 16 or 17 which was the main difference in mk5 and mk6 jetta. I just picked up a 08 2.5 for $2400, its that light blue color, my tdi will be sitting until mid Sept when I can tow it to shop, I won't let it sit any longer. I just had my dsg fluid changed for $100 plus filter/fluid. I know mechanics in Tx who will do a DSG change for $60-80. It's pretty much a slightly more complex oil change.
 
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