Fix or delete?

FXF

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Joined
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Location
NY
TDI
2013 JSW 6MT
Bought 2013 JSW from the dealer back in Feb 2020 with 35k miles and dieselgate "fix". Started getting the P2002 and P0401 codes in August 2020, around 55k miles, and started noticing soot in the previously clean tailpipe.

The car got hit in the front in September. Some idiot ran a stop sign and drove right into me. I had to replace the intercooler, radiator, most of the turbo plumbing, core support, complete cooling fan assembly, I opted to go with the OSRAM Xenarc LEDriving headlights imported from Europe, and I mostly banged out the kinks in the original hood. As it sits it's obvious the car has been in an accident, but the car drives perfectly straight so I've been putting off replacing the hood and bumper. I also still need to replace the air filter box, because the bottom half of this one is broken. I'm not in a position to get the body work done at this time, unfortunately.

I've since put another 10k miles on the car. It's been doing regens every 150 miles and the CEL, which used to come and go, is always on now. I need to pass emissions inspection in the state of New York, which consists of an OBD2 check looking for no codes, CEL is off, and no more than one readiness monitor incomplete.

I'm a little concerned that the dealer will try to weasel out of the warranty work because of the front end damage. I've also had a couple bad experiences with this dealer. When I took my old MKIV Jetta for an alignment, they left the subframe bolts finger tight. When I took the JSW for a vibration complaint, at 40k miles, they told me all four wheels were bent, but it was safe to drive. On the way home it was worse, and I stopped and decided to check the lug bolts. On one of the front wheels, I was missing a lug bolt and the other four were loose. I ended up replacing that wheel and I haven't been to the dealer service department since.

I'm considering an emissions delete, and a Malone Stage 2 delete tune, as an alternative to getting the car fixed under warranty. But I read a lot of posts that seem to indicate that Malone delete tunes don't satisfy the OBD2 requirements for passing inspection. On the other hand, I've found a couple posts that seem to indicate no problems with OBD2-based emissions inspections. So I'm kinda lost on that aspect. Maybe it's an open secret or something?

If a delete isn't going to work for me, I guess I would need to find a competent dealer to get the EGR and DPF replaced, followed up by a non-delete tune to hopefully extend the life of the new DPF. Does anyone know of a GOOD competent dealer in New York, Mass, Connecticut or New Jersey? I'm willing to travel if the dealer is worth a damn.
 

oilhammer

Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
Joined
Dec 11, 2001
Location
outside St Louis, MO
TDI
There are just too many to list....
Yep, your DPF is junk. Common before, SUPER common now. I see them all the time, just did another one last week.

All the tunes I have familar with will pass our OBD test. No MIL request, all readiness SET. Assuming testing in your area is the same as it is here.

Cannot comment on dealers in your area, but boy they sure sound similar to the ones in this area. I deal with that crap all the time. I have to stock battery hold downs and bolts, EA888 intake manifold supports and attachments, and I used to have to stock all the BEW EGR cooler brackets and fasteners because those idiots are too lazy to put stuff back together.
 

FXF

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Joined
May 7, 2021
Location
NY
TDI
2013 JSW 6MT
I'd prefer to delete for longevity reasons, to be honest. No MIL request and all readiness set will pass the OBD test here. There is a visual inspection, though in practice it's really just checking for the presence of anything that looks like a catalytic converter. Conveniently, there is a large can downstream of the DPF that fits that description. Some places won't even go that far.

I used to do state inspections here back when I worked for a Mopar dealer, and everybody's favorite tire store before that. I'm much, much happier driving 53 ton trucks and getting paid by the hour to do parked regens 3 times a week on my employer's equipment.
 

TurboABA

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Joined
Jul 24, 2010
Location
Kitchener, ON
TDI
RIP-2010 Jetta 6spd 2014 Touareg Execline
If it was my car, I'd go to a different dealer and\or argue with the incompetent one in order to get warranty coverage.
It doesn't sound like you've got a lot of disposable cash at the moment, so deleting it won't be that feasible.... free or mostly free FIX covered items will be a much better deal. Do you at least have VCDS or any such tools to get soot load readings and actual errors? Depending on how far things have gone, you may still be able to do a service or forced regen, etc.
 

FXF

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Location
NY
TDI
2013 JSW 6MT
I do have VCDS. It is kept in the glovebox at all times and I normally have a laptop in the car too. The car runs and drives just fine at the moment. I know if I ignore it, it'll get worse and I'll likely have to force a regen at some point. The more immediate problem is that I live in a emissions testing state (NY) and I need a sticker.

I have not been to the dealer for this particular issue yet. I have until Thursday (my day off) to decide if I'm going the warranty route. My biggest fear is that they **** something up and don't say anything and try to pass it off. Or they leave a bunch of bolts loose, or some other kind of half-assery. I've seen the kind of shenanigans flat rate mechanics like to pull. I used to work next to a guy who would grind the tabs off of brake pads to make them fit in the caliper bracket, for example.

With regards to the bodywork, it's not an issue of money. It's more about downtime, and the logistics of buying the parts (OEM VW only for me) getting quotes and selecting a body shop, getting the parts and the car to the body shop, and picking the car up. I work 60+ hours a week with a 2 hour round trip commute 5 days a week, so this is kind of a hassle for me. Also, I've been hoping to possibly get lucky and find a deal on a used JSW or MKVI GTI front clip in the correct color, because I'd be perfectly fine with that.
 

TurboABA

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Joined
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Location
Kitchener, ON
TDI
RIP-2010 Jetta 6spd 2014 Touareg Execline
If you don't want downtime (or can't tolerate it), the only way to do it is through warranty as they will provide a loaner.
I'm suggesting that you run a full scan to see what codes you have and to also get load readings off your DPF. You may still be able to do a standing or driving regen if things aren't too clogged up, etc. If they are, you may need to trick the system into thinking you've replaced the DPF and then trigger a service regen.....

Without more data\specifics, we are all assuming that your DPF or EGR or whatever is junk.... but that may not be the case.
 

Lightflyer1

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Sep 13, 2005
Location
Round Rock, Texas
TDI
2015 Beetle tdi dsg
If there is soot in the tailpipe it is junk for the most part. The ceramic filter is cracked. You may be able to limp it along for a while but eventually you will need it replaced or deleted. I would find another dealer or the same one if no others are available and have them fix it for free and get a loaner. Then get it inspected and registered. Then do whatever you want. Assuming the dpf codes are the only failing ones you have. Of course if you can find a front clip you may also get the emissions stuff you need from it.
 

FXF

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Joined
May 7, 2021
Location
NY
TDI
2013 JSW 6MT
If you don't want downtime (or can't tolerate it), the only way to do it is through warranty as they will provide a loaner.
I'm suggesting that you run a full scan to see what codes you have and to also get load readings off your DPF. You may still be able to do a standing or driving regen if things aren't too clogged up, etc. If they are, you may need to trick the system into thinking you've replaced the DPF and then trigger a service regen.....

Without more data\specifics, we are all assuming that your DPF or EGR or whatever is junk.... but that may not be the case.
This is an auto scan from just now. I had cleared the codes on Thursday and drove the car about 100 miles.
Code:
Saturday,08,May,2021,18:34:57:28950
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20200210 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: *****************   License Plate:
Mileage: 106440km-66138mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 2E 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 77

VIN: ************   Mileage: 106440km-66138miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CJA)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 997 030 D    HW: 03L 907 309 AA
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI G000SG  9983
   Revision: 12H15---    Serial number:              
   Coding: 0050072
   Shop #: WSC 48532 001 1048576
   VCID: 2F3B153B2B1A5D1F60F-807A

2 Faults Found:
009231 - Exhaust Gas Recirculation System
               P240F - 000 - Response too Slow - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 106294 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.27
                    Time: 02:15:09

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1564 /min
                    Speed: 61.0 km/h
                    Load: 60.0 %
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 85.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 220.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 315.0 mg/str

001025 - EGR System
               P0401 - 001 - Insufficient Flow - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 106299 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.27
                    Time: 20:49:48

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1265 /min
                    Speed: 49.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 14.06 V
                    Load: 90.6 %
                    Load: 100.0 %
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 335.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 495.0 mg/str

Readiness: 1 2 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152
   Revision: 00H31001  
   Coding: 114B600C492900FA881006E5921A0042B70000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   VCID: 7DA7FF73BDF67F8FA23-8028

1 Fault Found:
01325 - Control Module for Tire Pressure Monitoring (J502)
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 228
                    Mileage: 106273 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.27
                    Time: 00:08:05

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 20480
                    Count: 16390
                    Count: 44032
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 256
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 BH    HW: 7N0 907 426 BH
   Component: AC Manuell    H20 0505
   Revision: 00001018  
   Coding: 0010002002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00121
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 7BA3F16BA36271BF9C7-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 937 084 J    HW: 5K0 937 084 J
   Component: BCM PQ35 B    021 3068
   Revision: BG021001  
   Coding: 2F380E1A802F3EC4008800C17000004449000086535D0560648020200040
   Shop #: WSC 41038 003 1048576
   VCID: 392F2B63E95E83AFCEB-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 05031  26  0512
   Coding: 009795

2 Faults Found:
01038 - Central Locking Thermal Protection
            000 - - - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 216
                    Mileage: 105514 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.22
                    Time: 13:19:44

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 12.90 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

01800 - Light Switch (E1)
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 227
                    Mileage: 106273 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.27
                    Time: 00:07:07

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 12.75 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 M    HW: 5C0 959 655 M
   Component: AirbagVW10G   014 0726
   Serial number: 003L4R01801M
   Coding: 00004E42
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 3C213277E6ECB687D5D-8068

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1KM 959 339 B    HW: 1KM 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  006 0001
   Serial number: ---0000R--00006FW700

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557     HW: 1KM 955 557
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3572MSME2C324377ZZZX

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557     HW: 1KM 955 557
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3582MSME14122277ZZZK

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ----
   Serial number: 3511HSME5742112FZZZI

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ----
   Serial number: 3521HSME0F0E132FZZZW

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  --- ----
   Serial number: 35527SME641F102FZZZK

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  --- ----
   Serial number: 35627SME3915102FZZZD

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 BC    HW: 5K0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0090
   Revision: --------    Serial number:  90422MAG000DE
   Coding: 108A140000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod
   VCID: 72BDDC4FF42830F7CF1-8026

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C    HW: 5K0 959 542 C  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H31 0037
   Serial number: 0045871 FLE 20130122
   Coding: 820000

1 Fault Found:
448019 - Multi-Function Switches in Steering Wheel; Left
          B114B 96 [008] - Component internal failure
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 106072 km
                    Date: 2021.05.05
                    Time: 17:39:59


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5K0 920 973 C    HW: 5K0 920 973 C
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0705
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270F01
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00121
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 313F134331AE4BEF76B-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AF    HW: 7N0 907 530 AF
   Component: J533  Gateway H52 1634
   Revision:   H52       Serial number: 24021303270562
   Coding: 352002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 74B1DA578EBC3EC7DDD-8020

1 Fault Found:
03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 161
                    Mileage: 104283 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.14
                    Time: 12:19:22


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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 919 879     HW: 5N0 919 879
   Component: Kompass         002 0002
   Revision: 00002000    Serial number: 1225223RM1FQ07
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   VCID: 7EA5F87FBCF06497BB9-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H05 0705
   Serial number:              
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC42FDCF8F837771-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 701     HW: 3C0 959 793 B
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0501
   Revision: 13110009    Serial number: 0006327484
   Coding: 0004B5
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 5BE391EB03A291BFFC7-800E

   Slave Driver:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 703 C    HW: 3C0 959 795 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  008 1509
   Serial number: 00000007588858    
   Coding: 000490

2 Faults Found:
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator
          B11EC 54 [008] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 228

67589 - Turn Signal in Exterior Mirror
          B11FD 01 [009] - Electrical Failure
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 189
                    Mileage: 86025 km
                    Date: 2020.12.07
                    Time: 15:34:45


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     3305
   Revision: 00H22000  
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 372B2D5BD34A95DF38F-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 702     HW: 3C0 959 792 B
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0501
   Revision: 15110009    Serial number: 0006244614
   Coding: 0004B4
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 5CE192F706AC9687F5D-8008

   Slave Passenger:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 704 C    HW: 3C0 959 794 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  008 1509
   Serial number: 00000007579059    
   Coding: 000490

1 Fault Found:
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator
          B11EC 54 [008] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 228


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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AF    HW: 1K0 035 180 AF
   Component: Radio Prem-8  H05 0008
   Revision: -----09S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7N3424633
   Coding: 01000400040007
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 6491AA173E5CAE474DD-8030

2 Faults Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 214
                    Mileage: 85956 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.04.30
                    Time: 14:48:49

03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 161
                    Mileage: 104283 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.09.14
                    Time: 13:14:04


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 K    HW: 7P6 035 730 K
   Component: TELEFON       H15 3200
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007664142721
   Coding: 0A10040000010110
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720
   ROD: EV_UHVNA_002.rod
   VCID: 3A2D346FECD888B7C71-806E

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:12, VBatt start/end: 12.6V/12.6V)-----------
Previous to that, I had these faults stored in the 01 Engine module:
Code:
                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
Control Module Part Number: 03L 997 030 D    HW: 03L 907 309 AA
  Component and/or Version: R4 2.0l TDI G000SG  9983
           Software Coding: 0050072
            Work Shop Code: WSC 48532 001 1048576
                      VCID: 2F3B153B2B1A5D1F60F-807A
4 Faults Found:

001025 - EGR System
               P0401 - 001 - Insufficient Flow
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 126
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 99231 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.14.20
                    Time: 13:43:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1794 /min
                    Speed: 106.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 14.36 V
                    Load: 98.8 %
                    Load: 100.0 %
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 555.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 550.0 mg/str

009231 - Exhaust Gas Recirculation System
               P240F - 000 - Response too Slow - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 21
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 100035 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2008.14.25
                    Time: 14:38:45

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1380 /min
                    Speed: 82.0 km/h
                    Load: 54.1 %
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 105.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 215.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 315.0 mg/str

001025 - EGR System
               P0401 - 002 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 102698 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2009.14.20
                    Time: 13:43:12

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1656 /min
                    Speed: 98.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 14.36 V
                    Load: 100.0 %
                    Load: 100.0 %
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 630.0 mg/str
                    Mass Air / Rev.: 615.0 mg/str

008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1
               P2002 - 007 - Efficiency Below Threshold - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100111
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 102654 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2009.14.20
                    Time: 05:03:35

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1311 /min
                    Speed: 77.0 km/h
                    (no units): 61.2
                    (no units): 15.3
                    (no units): 1.90
                    Pressure: 187 mbar
                    Pressure: 10 mbar


Readiness: 1 4 0 0 0
I forgot to look at the DPF load values. I'll have to check on that later.

If there is soot in the tailpipe it is junk for the most part. The ceramic filter is cracked. You may be able to limp it along for a while but eventually you will need it replaced or deleted. I would find another dealer or the same one if no others are available and have them fix it for free and get a loaner. Then get it inspected and registered. Then do whatever you want. Assuming the dpf codes are the only failing ones you have. Of course if you can find a front clip you may also get the emissions stuff you need from it.
I was thinking, I might let the dealer fix it, and then delete it anyway, because I could have a brand new DPF sitting on the shelf should I ever feel the need to return the car to stock.
 
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So, the car has been at the dealer for two weeks now, and I haven't heard anything from them. The clutch hydraulic system started leaking so it's there for that issue too. I'm gonna have to either stop by or give them a call tomorrow.

Once I get the car back, and look it over carefully, I'm gonna put a few hundred miles on it and get inspected. Not long after that I'm planning on doing a full delete plus CP3 upgrade. Looking at the Rawtek kit with resonator and cat, and Malone Stage 2 tune and flashing tool.

The loaner they gave me, a loaded 2019 Jetta SEL, 1.4 TSI, 8 speed auto, isn't half bad. It's surprisingly good fuel economy for a gasser. But I sure do miss the utility of my wagon.
 

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So, the car has been at the dealer for two weeks now, and I haven't heard anything from them. The clutch hydraulic system started leaking so it's there for that issue too. I'm gonna have to either stop by or give them a call tomorrow.

Once I get the car back, and look it over carefully, I'm gonna put a few hundred miles on it and get inspected. Not long after that I'm planning on doing a full delete plus CP3 upgrade. Looking at the Rawtek kit with resonator and cat, and Malone Stage 2 tune and flashing tool.

The loaner they gave me, a loaded 2019 Jetta SEL, 1.4 TSI, 8 speed auto, isn't half bad. It's surprisingly good fuel economy for a gasser. But I sure do miss the utility of my wagon.
Did you ever do the exhaust and get the Malone tune? Will it pass OBD inspection with the readiness monitors?
 

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Did you ever do the exhaust and get the Malone tune? Will it pass OBD inspection with the readiness monitors?
After a bunch more BS from the dealer, I ordered a DPF off of idparts and put it on and passed inspection. I promptly took it off and installed a Rawtek delete eco kit, with the resonator and high flow DOC. I flashed Malone stage 2 delete.

With the Malone delete tune, no monitors run and none are ready, so it will definitely fail the OBD inspection.
 

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This is so weird, why for some people the Malone tune has all set to "ready" and passes inspection but others it doesn't?

FXF, so each year you plan to swap back in the DPF and reflash to pass inspection? What is your plan for next year?
 

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Possibly the undelete-redelete game until I move out west. Or a Stevenson tune for the sole purpose of passing and immediately flash back to Malone. Seems like an awful lot of money, but the again so was the DPF.

No visual inspection on light duty diesels in NY so the tune is really the only thing holding me up.

This is the state of my readiness monitors after a few thousand miles. Note the Fuel System monitor is disabled and the emissions monitors are either disabled or not ready.
 

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This sucks, I am in the same situation you are. I saw the Stevenson tune claims it will pass everything so I might just go that route. Is the Malone tune that much better that you would buy both and flash back and forth?
 

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This sucks, I am in the same situation you are. I saw the Stevenson tune claims it will pass everything so I might just go that route. Is the Malone tune that much better that you would buy both and flash back and forth?
I didn't become aware of Stevenson's offering until after the fact. But based on what I've read about the two, and also Kerma and Rocketchip, I'd probably still have gone with Malone for the tune. They seem to have built up a very good reputation over the years, much like the TDI engines have. They also offer specialized tuning for the CP3 pump upgrade and an automatic cold weather high idle function.

Some people have claimed that Stevenson blew up their TDI. Take it for what you will. I haven't seen any evidence, but I also haven't seen anyone pointing the finger at Malone (or Kerma) for this kind of thing.

I'm strongly considering the second tune just to save myself the trouble of having to install and remove the DPF. I feel like my time, especially in the summer when my sticker expires, is probably worth more than the one-time cost of the Stevenson tune.

By the way, having done it 15k miles ago, I think deleting and tuning these CR140 TDIs is absolutely worth it. The car is more fun to drive, highway fuel economy went up noticeably, and I don't have to worry about high EGT shutdowns, idling or driving around to let a regen finish, or cracking another DPF. I have only two problems with it so far. I have a manual transmission DMF shudder that was also present on the stock tune, but is worse now that I'm making more torque, so I'll have to do a clutch and flywheel at some point. The other problem is that the car takes a lot longer to warm up in below freezing weather. Like, it won't reach 200 degrees in a 30 mile commute of 45 and 55mph roads with some stop and go. I wish there were an easy way to rig up the EGR cooler to heat the coolant or something. I'm looking at putting on a Webasto coolant heater anyhow.
 

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I didn't become aware of Stevenson's offering until after the fact. But based on what I've read about the two, and also Kerma and Rocketchip, I'd probably still have gone with Malone for the tune. They seem to have built up a very good reputation over the years, much like the TDI engines have. They also offer specialized tuning for the CP3 pump upgrade and an automatic cold weather high idle function.

Some people have claimed that Stevenson blew up their TDI. Take it for what you will. I haven't seen any evidence, but I also haven't seen anyone pointing the finger at Malone (or Kerma) for this kind of thing.

I'm strongly considering the second tune just to save myself the trouble of having to install and remove the DPF. I feel like my time, especially in the summer when my sticker expires, is probably worth more than the one-time cost of the Stevenson tune.

By the way, having done it 15k miles ago, I think deleting and tuning these CR140 TDIs is absolutely worth it. The car is more fun to drive, highway fuel economy went up noticeably, and I don't have to worry about high EGT shutdowns, idling or driving around to let a regen finish, or cracking another DPF. I have only two problems with it so far. I have a manual transmission DMF shudder that was also present on the stock tune, but is worse now that I'm making more torque, so I'll have to do a clutch and flywheel at some point. The other problem is that the car takes a lot longer to warm up in below freezing weather. Like, it won't reach 200 degrees in a 30 mile commute of 45 and 55mph roads with some stop and go. I wish there were an easy way to rig up the EGR cooler to heat the coolant or something. I'm looking at putting on a Webasto coolant heater anyhow.
With me be to help warmup. I use a lower gear. Keep the heater on Max and speed 2. (this turns on the aux heater)
 

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Can you please share where you've come up with this "speed 2" requirement..... I keep hearing this nonsense and I've never been able to see it documented anywhere.
 

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With me be to help warmup. I use a lower gear. Keep the heater on Max and speed 2. (this turns on the aux heater)
I agree on the aux heater, works pretty good. I start the car, temp to max, fan speed 1 or 2 seems to work well. Come back in 10 minutes and it's at least bearable.

The problem I have is I'll be watching the coolant temp sensor data and it'll get up to 185-190 but if I stop at a red light it'll dip back down to 160-170. I think I'm pulling too much heat out of the engine. Of course by this point the aux heater has long since turned off, and I'm running fan speed 3 or 4 and I'm still too cold. And the lie-o-matic temp gauge reads 190.
 

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Not a single PTC heater prerequisite I've ever read about cared about how fast the fan is blowing, as long as it's on ....... this goes back close to a full decade now...
There are many things the ECU will consider, and it will make adjustments as it can for best results.
I've said this many times, and lots of others have as well.... you can restrict airflow by blocking your lower grille area with pipe insulation very easily to reduce the effective cooling of your rad in cold climates to minimize the phenomenon being experienced in these efficient TDIs.

Activation conditions
The electrical auxiliary air heater is activated:
- in the case of the 2C-Climatronic and Climatic: automatically via the CAN data bus;
in the case of the heating system:
- if the occupants set the heating output to over 90% at the operating unit (analog signal),
- if the water temperature is below 75°C,
- if the engine speed is higher than 500 rpm,
- if no load management system is active and
- if the ECON button is not pressed.

The importance of the load management system
The onboard power supply control unit controls the load management system, which has a special part to play in operation of the electrical auxiliary air heater. It can deactivate the electrical auxiliary air heater partially or completely. The load management system's status is indicated in the data blocks of the electrical auxiliary air heater. Power output can be reduced in steps of 75%, 50% and 25%.
You have have other DTCs or failed sensors, it will turn it off as it can't determine exactly what is going on, etc.
 

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Can you please share where you've come up with this "speed 2" requirement..... I keep hearing this nonsense and I've never been able to see it documented anywhere.
My car came equipped with an auxiliary coolant heater that is electric. Your heat has to be on Max setting for to turn on. And if you have your blower motor on one or two you get more heat than if it's on three or four. As on the higher setting it doesn't allow it to heat up as much.
 

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My car came equipped with an auxiliary coolant heater that is electric. Your heat has to be on Max setting for to turn on. And if you have your blower motor on one or two you get more heat than if it's on three or four. As on the higher setting it doesn't allow it to heat up as much.
Same here, this is the reason I run the aux heater on fan 2, not enough kW for the airflow of 3 or 4
 

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Same here, this is the reason I run the aux heater on fan 2, not enough kW for the airflow of 3 or 4
At least you understand what I was talking about without essentially calling me an idiot
I view it akin to a milk house heater. When it's really cold out you can get more heat out of it at a low fan speed then high fan speed
 

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At least you understand what I was talking about without essentially calling me an idiot
:rolleyes:

My car came equipped with an auxiliary coolant heater that is electric. Your heat has to be on Max setting for to turn on. And if you have your blower motor on one or two you get more heat than if it's on three or four. As on the higher setting it doesn't allow it to heat up as much.
Coolant and air are not the same.

The electrical auxiliary air heater An electrical auxiliary air heater is installed in diesel vehicles. The electrical auxiliary air heater is a combination of a PTC heater element with an integrated control unit. It is installed downstream of the heat exchanger and provides additional heating of the vehicle interior after cold-starting the engine. The electrical auxiliary air heater directly heats the air which enters the vehicle interior. It acquires all information needed for operation via the convenience CAN data bus
Please educate yourself on the subject if you're going to make these statements.
If you want to prove your statements, please supply sources (SSP, VAG documents, etc) not personal opinions, fake news, conspiracies, etc.

I'm calling you out on this because if I'm in the dark or wrong, I want to be educated on it.
 

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:rolleyes:



Coolant and air are not the same.



Please educate yourself on the subject if you're going to make these statements.
If you want to prove your statements, please supply sources (SSP, VAG documents, etc) not personal opinions, fake news, conspiracies, etc.

I'm calling you out on this because if I'm in the dark or wrong, I want to be educated on it.
Where I come on it, is that if my fan setting is on high and my engine is idled for a half an hour when cold I have no cabin heat. If it's on two with the same outside temperature I have some cabin maybe my scenario is one of the weird ones. But I'm coming from personal experience. Maybe it's all in my head, but it makes me feel better.
 

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I'm over it.
I'm simply saying not to present what's in your head as facts.
The PTC aux heater is electric, and it heats air.... nothing to do with coolant.
If the vehicle has this, it's a 7E6 option code on your build sticker.
#17 here

I believe that all NA market TDIs since '06 had these, although I've seen users claim that they are missing them.

This all started because I asked where you come up with
Keep the heater on Max and speed 2. (this turns on the aux heater)
.... which is not true.
 

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I'm over it.
I'm simply saying not to present what's in your head as facts.
The PTC aux heater is electric, and it heats air.... nothing to do with coolant.
If the vehicle has this, it's a 7E6 option code on your build sticker.
#17 here

I believe that all NA market TDIs since '06 had these, although I've seen users claim that they are missing them.

This all started because I asked where you come up with

.... which is not true.
I swear mine's in the coolant circuit. Because if I leave it idling for half an hour without my blower on I have no engine temperature whatsoever. But when I turn it on idling my coolant starts to heat up. My relay also has a high and a low circuit. Granted I don't have a Passat. Also the heater I have to go into engine and not to the HVAC system within vcds or obd11. I don't think my car is different than anyone else's but who knows. Not me.
 
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You can swear whatever you'd like.......
It's ELECTRIC.... it's an air heater......
When it cycles ON, it places a large electrical load (I can't recall if it's 1000w or more) on the charging system, which loads up the alternator, which makes your engine load, which in turn makes it warm up faster since "it's working" harder than just idling......
Read your PR sticker if you don't believe me
 
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