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The Norwegians are the most upset about it.....
I drove with @alphaseinor following in his dad's Dodge 2500 on the way to Houston to pick up vintage computers. I'd say the trip was about 270-ish miles each way, but he was driving over 100mph and I was going about 75-80 towing my almost 1300 pound trailer. We both stopped at Buc-ee's for bathroom and food/drinks, but otherwise, it was a non-stop trip.Car & Driver had their staff do a 1000 mile road trip in a bunch of the current EVs.
The EV 1000: 11 EVs Face Off in a Long-Distance Race
A 1000-mile race reveals what it's like to drive an EV long distances in 2021.www.caranddriver.com
At the end of the article they write:
Our drivers are split when asked whether the EV 1000 was harder or easier than expected, but most say that if they were to do the trip again, they would do one thing differently: drive a gas car. And that includes the Tesla drivers.
I drove to NYC and back yesterday in my TDI, about a 480 mile round trip. Of course I didn't stop for fuel. Made one rest stop on the way down, less than 5 minutes, and no stops on the way home.
The above article also shows how driving at higher speeds limits range. It shows the Model 3 will only go 207 miles at 80 MPH. Not sure if that's accurate, but if so I couldn't have made the trip one way on a full charge.
Makes me curious what the hell the money went for in those 100+ years...We get taxed all the time on things we do not directly see the benefit from. And when "new" taxes levied have no sunset clause, the gov't is all too happy to keep on taking, LOL. The phone tax (aka the Spanish American War tax, because it was levied to pay for said war) was FINALLY repealed in 2006. Yes, that's right. 2006. The war ended in 1898. Over a century of taxing in the name of something that literally lasted a few months.
San Antonio is the same. And even if public transportation were really good, what would I do when I needed to transport things for agriculture, or if I wanted to travel with my dog? Last I checked, almost all public transportation venues don't allow pets, unless they're service dogs.We do not have very good public transportation in Charlotte, so the changes in traffic patterns don't make as much sense. It seems that our rush times are lasting longer in both the morning and afternoon. Afternoon rush is also starting earlier. Used to be that the worst of the traffic would be from about 4-6 pm. Now it starts before 3 and lasts until about 7.
Or when the State of Missouri wanted to levy a statewide tax to build a new stadium as an "incentive" for the billionaire owners of the Rams to keep the team in St. Louis. If EV's are to be a success, it will happen in due time without government incentives which help line the pockets of Musk and others at the expense of us all.Not a good comparison. A better one would be if all school children are charged for attending school, except for one sub-group for one reason or another. Or if one group of homeowners didn't have to pay taxes but still were able to use all of a town's services, including schools.
I'm sure that's an exageration, but the most I do is say 3500 pounds cross country at 75mph. And I don't usually get lucky with a shady spot, espescially when going from TX to CA. Sometimes I get lucky with a shady area at rest stops from TX to FL, but not always.Most of the Teslas have super efficient heat pump HVAC systems. You wouldn't have to hog a supercharger to enjoy a comfortable place to take a nap- particularly if you have the good sense to find some shade to park in. EVs aren't yet everything for everyone. No, you're not going to want to tow 10k lbs across country with a model 3. Or plow up your pasture with one. But as a daily driver they suit the needs of 98% of the populace extremely well.
https://blog.wallbox.com/norway-ev-incentives/ said:No purchase tax or VAT
No road traffic insurance tax
Half price tolls
Half price parking
Use of bus and taxi lanes
In terms of national EV infrastructure, the Norwegian government has already established fast-charging stations every 50km on all main roads
Yes, those exaggerated examples were just to emphasize that it's easy to find edge use cases where an EV may not be ideal. But for most people, most of the time- EVs are clean, quiet, efficient, convenient, and cost effective to operate. And with some incentives they can be cost competitive to purchase. For your overnight on a budget example, I'd look for a low level charger. These are often free. Or you could park near a supercharger and just charge up for a half hour or less in the morning or before going to sleep if running low on range. Idling your ICEV overnight for AC is incredibly inefficient. I'd be surprised if 10% of the energy consumed is actually keeping you cool.I'm sure that's an exageration, but the most I do is say 3500 pounds cross country at 75mph. And I don't usually get lucky with a shady spot, espescially when going from TX to CA. Sometimes I get lucky with a shady area at rest stops from TX to FL, but not always.
So I'm presuming that heat pump would be no problem keeping the car's HVAC going overnight without charging, and still have at least 100 miles or so of charge left whenever I wake up?
This is a BIG development! Great news for the entire EV community.
Unfortunately, I believe this statement to be quite correct based on current trends around here......I won't live long enough for an EV to become as affordable to operate as the cars I already own and operate.
You seem to know what you're overlooking- the fact that there's pretty much zero chance that diesel & gas prices won't increase over the next 15 years, or that your car won't require any repairs over that time frame. I assume there are also other miscalculations in your cost analysis.An EV would be more than sufficient for my weekday use (commuting, running around, grocery shopping, etc).
On weekends, I do take longer trips, tow both utility and RV trailers, etc. so that's not so feasible...... that being said, I could keep the Touareg for weekend use and use the EV during the week....... the problem still exists when doing the rough math......
So what am I overlooking here?
So help me sort it out brotha...... let's make some assumptions, etc......You seem to know what you're overlooking- the fact that there's pretty much zero chance that diesel & gas prices won't increase over the next 15 years, or that your car won't require any repairs over that time frame. I assume there are also other miscalculations in your cost analysis.
Have diesel and gas prices overall increased in real dollars in the past 15 years, adjusted for inflation? There have been price spikes, but I think the averages have been pretty consistent. And now with domestic resources available for oil, along with anticipated reduction in demand, it's possible that real prices will fall.You seem to know what you're overlooking- the fact that there's pretty much zero chance that diesel & gas prices won't increase over the next 15 years, or that your car won't require any repairs over that time frame. I assume there are also other miscalculations in your cost analysis.
It's about the same chance as the electrical rates not going up or that the already stressed grid will require significant investment (with the costs transferred to consumers) to handle the increase in EV's.You seem to know what you're overlooking- the fact that there's pretty much zero chance that diesel & gas prices won't increase over the next 15 years, or that your car won't require any repairs over that time frame. I assume there are also other miscalculations in your cost analysis.
Which, many people will tell you, is one of the biggest economic mistakes a household can make. I like to buy new, but I tend to mitigate that by keeping my cars a long, long time. Only two of the 6 cars I currently own were bought new: one 4 years ago, one 19 years ago. The rest cost a fraction of their original MSRPs. For now, EVs have a big disadvantage compared to used ICEVs.People buy new cars all of the time.
Solar quote for me had about an 18 year payback. I'm not going up on the roof to install it myself.What numbers? Either you're getting your electricity for next to nothing or the PV system was over-priced. A DIY PV system can pay for itself in ~3 years. Turnkey is typically ~10. You can DIY a 5kW PV system for <$3k after the FTC. 5kW will produce ~9MWh/yr; @ $0.10/kWh you're saving ~$900/yr ; $3k / $900/yr = 3.3 Years. 9MWh is enough energy to drive >30,000 miles. Even if you get ~50mpg that's ~600 gallons of diesel. So $3k in solar can save ~$1800/yr in diesel if you have an EV.
I bought a used Model 3 for $37,500. I can easily go ~1000 miles with a few charging stops that add up to less than 2 hours. Taking into account breaks most people would take driving an ICE there's really not going to be much if any difference in how long a trip takes unless you're peeing in a bottle while you drive.