Cheers for the info jimbote. Just ordered 3 bottles of Penn SM I'll post up the results after a couple weeks!any of the SM fluids will work fine in your box ... i've used them in 02M's with no issue
Cheers for the info jimbote. Just ordered 3 bottles of Penn SM I'll post up the results after a couple weeks!any of the SM fluids will work fine in your box ... i've used them in 02M's with no issue
You have bought the right stuff that VW recommends but most of the members with A4 (mark IV) cars use GM or Pennzoil friction modified manual trans fluid... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61gzx912T-L._SL1500_.jpgis there anyone at all that can tell me if bought the right manual trans fluid for my 2005 bew tdi jetta
Don't think so. Most use OE fluid, some use Redline, some use Liqui-Moly. I think Pennzoil and GM fluids are way down the list, aside from a few vocal users here.You have bought the right stuff that VW recommends but most of the members with A4 (mark IV) cars use GM or Pennzoil friction modified manual trans fluid... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61gzx912T-L._SL1500_.jpg
I have used Amsoil MTF extensively in the 02J. Butter smooth and no long-term wear issues.with the G052 171 A2, while I have used Amsoil's MTG GL4 fluid in the 02J without issues...
I noticed, they have a 5w30 synchromesh MTF.
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...omesh-transmission-fluid-5w-30/?code=MTFQT-EA
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D 445) : 9.7
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D 445) : 48.3
Viscosity Index : 190
Brought forward from post 236. One new VW fluid - G052911 - thanks to LC.
(Manual Tranny Fluids)
VI Vis@40C Vis@100C
128 159.0 18.3 = AMSOIL CTL SAE 50 Powershift GL-1
..............16.7 = Motul MOTYLGEAR 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.6 = VW G50/G51 GL-4
185 90.0 15.6 = Redline MT-90 75-90 GL-4
..............15.2 = Mobil 1 Synthetic 75W-90 GL-5
..............15.2 = Motul Gear 300 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.0 = Elf Tranself Synthese FE 75-90 GL-4/-5
132 116.0 14.9 = AMSOIL AGL 80W-90 GL-5
177 84.5 14.7 = AMSOIL MTG 75-90 GL-4
..... 76.6 14.2 = VW G052-911
133 76.2 11.0 = AMSOIL CTJ SAE 30 Powershift GL-1
183 56.2 10.6 = Redline MTL 70-80 GL-4
194 47.1 9.6 = AMSOIL MTF Synchromesh Trans fluid (GM/Chrysler) GL-?
208 41.6 9.1 = Penzoil Synchromesh trans fluid GL-?
198 34.0 7.5 = Redline D4 ATF Dexron III / Mercon / API GL-4
138 40.5 7.1 = AMSOIL CTG SAE 10W Powershift GL-1
..... 31.2 6.5 = VW G-052-171-A2 GL-?
..... 35.1 6.4 = VW G-055-726-A2 GL-?
..............6.3 = VW G52 (part numbers G052726A2 / G05272601) GL-?
Thank you for this information it's been really helpful.They sent the fluid for oil analysis.
Yep VW spec says 75w90 but is thinner than 70w80!
Thats why running a 75w90 aftermarket synethic was giving shift issues for some. It was assumed that the VW fluid was superior, until found that they "liedv about viscosity!
GM or Penzoil Syncromesh works best and doesnt have the hot shifting issues that OEM VW had for me.
And..I really like the way the G052 171 shifts and I like what it does for mileage. (update: 4000 miles after installation, it's taking more force to get into first from a stop.
How can it take up to 5000 miles for a gearbox/transmission to adapt to a new fill of a different oil and change characteristics during that time?I've been switching fluids in my car over the past couple of years and have found that it takes 4000-5000 miles for shift feel to settle down after a change.
From the history of GM's Syncromesh fluids, they had a problem with the corvette transmissions grinding some gears (IIRC 5th,6th?) using the stock ATF type fluid (close to viscosity of OEM VW). Syncromesh fixed the issues. I have also had good results using syncromesh in BMW's that spec'ed ATF like fluids. My friend was ready to take apart his tranny to rebuild the syncros until I got him to try it! I also read that it helped other picky notchy transmissions, such as the 3000GT/Stealth (which is known to be "made of glass" lol).
The Pennzoil syncromesh has been known to be not as long lasting as the GM one. I got the GM "friction modified" version on ebay. The regular is fine too, I just wanted to try the FM version last time.
This is interesting. Is this actually a "thing"? I've often wondered if oil itself has to "break in" as such. Do additives really need heat and cooling cycles to begin to function properly?Settling in could be from the additives used to help the syncros grab. This sometimes takes time depending on the additive. Some additives come to life after so many heat cycles.
Thanks for your experience. Is the G070... oil even thinner than the G052... oil do you know? Cheers.I just drained the GM Synchromesh from my 02M and replaced it with G070 and found that it shifts much "cleaner" and the 1-2 shift that has been stiff for the last 50k miles is now just like the others. There's a distinct and consistent feel as you disengage one gear and then engage the other that was never there with the synchromesh.
Now, to the recent posts about the G070 being "crunchy" when hot, we'll see how that goes this summer.
For reference, on my 02J, I ran a wide variety of fluids in that over the 170k miles I had it, G052, Redline MTF, Redline D4 ATF and finally the G070 (there might have been another Redline in there somewhere?).
The D4 ATF and G070 were by far my favorite - very smooth and consistent shifts, good feel, etc. The G052, and MTF were ok and if I had never tried the D4 or G070 I would have thought they were just fine. In the cold the G052 and MTF were really stiff for the first 3-4 shifts whereas the D4 and G070 were much less stiff on the 1st shift and almost normal after the 2nd or 3rd shift. No hot issues with the D4 or G070 either and I do a lot of trailer pulling which will heat up the oil more than just driving along.
Not trying to change anyone's mind, just my experiences.