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I know many folks here are using Opti-Lube products for lubricity improvement due to its performance in the Spicer Test. Some of us have had doubts about the results of the Spicer Test. While I applaud Arlen Spicer for spearheading that effort, personally I would have preferred results from fuel that already had a lubricity additive that was added at the distribution terminal, so it would be representative of what is available to us at the retail pump. Here are a couple of posts from other threads that articulate the issues some of us have with the way that test was conducted:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3308251&postcount=153
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3656566&postcount=15
I don't want to debate the methodology chosen for the Spicer Test here, so please refrain from that in this thread.
A few years ago I was able to obtain HFRR test data from Power Service on both Diesel Fuel Supplement and Diesel Kleen products. Power Service has their own test facility with an HFRR and claim they are using it to check thousands of fuel samples to ensure their product lives up to its claims. They are generally pretty conservative with their claims due to the variation of fuel across the country and different times of year, so this is what their site claims:
One of the people I had emailed answered the phone and said he was waiting for the other person on the email to respond. He then spoke to that person and put me on speaker phone so all three of us were connected. Here is the gist of the conversation:
I was really hoping to be able to share some hard data, but there is none
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3308251&postcount=153
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3656566&postcount=15
I don't want to debate the methodology chosen for the Spicer Test here, so please refrain from that in this thread.
A few years ago I was able to obtain HFRR test data from Power Service on both Diesel Fuel Supplement and Diesel Kleen products. Power Service has their own test facility with an HFRR and claim they are using it to check thousands of fuel samples to ensure their product lives up to its claims. They are generally pretty conservative with their claims due to the variation of fuel across the country and different times of year, so this is what their site claims:
Since Opti-Lube has such a strong following here, I wanted to see if they could provide any additional data besides the Spicer Test. So I sent them the following email on 6/26/2012 to the addresses available at the Opti-lube site:PS FAQ said:What is Slickdiesel® Lubricator and what does it do for my engine?
Slickdiesel® Lubricator is a proprietary Power Service diesel fuel lubricity additive that is added to many of our products to increase the lubrication properties of diesel fuel. This increase in lubricity will increase the life of fuel pumps and injectors. The fuel pump manufacturers (Bosch, Delphi, Denso, Siemens and Stanadyne) consider fuel lubricity to be the most crucial property of diesel fuel as it relates to reduction of pump and injector wear. The Engine Manufacturer Association (EMA) has stated that, “Shortened life of engine components such as fuel injection pumps and unit injectors usually can be ascribed to a lack of fuel lubricity and hence is a concern to engine manufacturers.” Slickdiesel® Lubricator meets the new ASTM HFRR 520 Lubricity Specifications for the United States and the more stringent European Specification of 460 in most fuels.
After waiting over a month with no response, I sent a second email this past Wed. Since I got no response to that I decided to call them today.-----Original Message-----
From: tom
To: steve <steve@opti-lube.com>; raina <raina@opti-lube.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 4:09 pm
Subject: OptiLube Diesel fuel additive
Greetings-
I am a diesel fanatic and am a regular contributor on a few Internet forums for diesel vehicles. I have been concerned about lubricity levels in US Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel since it was introduced, and therefore have always used lubricity additive to ensure adequate protection for my pump and injectors. I also take every opportunity to advise diesel owners to do the same (there seem to be more and more of us all the time).
Since your additive is not available at retail outlets, and I have previously received data from another additive manufacturer that is widely available, I have chosen to use that manufacturer's additive. Since your product did so well in the dieselplace.com "Spicer Report", I am interested in using your product, but before I switch I'd like to see before and after wear scar data from your additive when used on retail diesel that already has a level of lubricity additive. This is different from the Spicer Report as those additives were tested on fuel from a distribution terminal BEFORE distributor lubricity additive was introduced to it. My reasoning is that since I would be using OptiLube on retail pump fuel, I want to know how much wear scar improvement I would receive in the real world and not in a lab study such as the Spicer Report.
Do you have such data and are you willing to share it? Would you be willing to put this data on your website so all potential customers could see it?
Thanks very much for your time and consideration!
Tom
One of the people I had emailed answered the phone and said he was waiting for the other person on the email to respond. He then spoke to that person and put me on speaker phone so all three of us were connected. Here is the gist of the conversation:
- She mistakenly thought the Spicer Test was done on retail fuel.
- They have no other HFRR data besides the Spicer Test available.
- She was not aware of when they would have any additional data.
- I suggested they have the testing done and share the data on their website. They agreed that this would be helpful but have no plans as to when they would do so.
I was really hoping to be able to share some hard data, but there is none