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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old January 18th, 2005, 11:50   #1
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Default G12 Vs. Prestone® All Makes All Models Antifreeze

Does anyone know if the "New Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant" is fully compatible with the VW G12?

Obviously VW will indicate that nothing else is compatible with their G12 but I am wondering if that is the actual truth?

This New Prestone® All Makes All Models Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant is claiming full compatibility"
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This patented, technologically-advanced formula and traditional color is compatible with ANY make or model of car or light duty truck and mixes with ANY color of antifreeze.
I have found the same claim coming from "PEAK" antifreeze also. (probably the same guys)

Your informative input would be greatly appreciated.
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Old January 18th, 2005, 11:56   #2
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Why not just ask Prestone if their coolants comply with the VAG specs? Isn't that the simplest thing to do?
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Old January 18th, 2005, 12:17   #3
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VW G-12 engines spec: TL-774-D

AUDI G-12 engines spec: TL-774-D

SEAT G-12 engines spec: TL-774-D

SKODA G-12 engines spec: TL-774-D

MB MB 325.3

MAN MAN 324

MTU MTL 5048

PORSCHE TL-774-D

FORD WSS-M79B44-D

I doubt they tested it against these engine specs.

If the prestone is not silicate free DO NOT MIX IT!!!

If it is silicate free you need to verify the testing that was done on the coolant.

DB
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Old January 18th, 2005, 12:25   #4
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Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant

British Leyland - LTS 22AF 10
Caterpillar (*) - EC-1
Chrysler - MS 9176
Deutz/MWM - 0199-2091 (2. Auflage)
Ford - WSS-M97B44-C
General Motors/US - GM 6277M
Mack (*) - 014GS17004
MAN Nutzfahrzeuge - MAN 248 & 324
MAN B&W - D36 5600
Navistar (*) - B-1, typ III
Renault (*) - 41-01-001
Ulstein Bergen - 2.13.01
VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda - TL 774 D
MB - 325.3 Sheet
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Old January 18th, 2005, 12:27   #5
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BASF Glysantin G30

Audi TL 774-D/F
DaimlerChrysler DBL 7700.30 Seite 325.3
Ford WSS-M 97B44-D
MAN MAN 324 SNF
MTU MTL 5048
Porsche Techn. Info
Seat TL 774-D/F
Skoda TL 774-D/F
VW TL 774-D/F

Glysantin Alu Protect Premium/ G 30
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Old January 18th, 2005, 12:29   #6
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Default Re: G12 Vs. Prestone® All Makes All Models Antifreeze

They claim to be Phosphate and Silicate free.

Peak claims..
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Recommended For Automobiles With The Following Antifreeze Specifications:
ANFOR 15-601
BS 6580 (British Standard)
Chrysler MS7170
Chrysler MS9769
Ford ESE-M97B44-A
Ford WSS-M97B44-D
Ford WSS-M97B51-A1
FVV HEFT R443 (Germany)
GM 1825M
GM 6277M (DEX-COOL® Spec)
JASO M325 (Japan)
JIS K 2234 (Japan)
SAE J1034
Mercedes Benz DBL 7700
Prestone claims..
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Prestone® Antifreeze/Coolant meets or exceeds the performance requirements of the following specifications:

ASTM D3306
SAE J1034
GM 1825M
Ford ESE M97B44-A
Chrysler MS7170
General Services Administration CID A-A-52624
Prestone® Extended Life 5/150 Antifreeze/Coolant meets or exceeds the following industry standards and specifications:

GM 6277M
Ford WSS-M97B44-D

When tested in ASTM D 1384, D 4340, D 2570, and D 2809, Prestone® Extended Life 5/150 Antifreeze/Coolant will meet the chemical, physical property characteristics and performance requirements of the following standards and specifications:

GM 1825M
GM 1899
Ford WSE-M97B44-A
Ford ESE-M97B44-B
DaimlerChrysler MS 7170 and MS 9769
General Services Administration A-A-52624
ASTM D 3306
SAE J 1034
ASTM D 4985

Prestone LowTox® Antifreeze/Coolant meets or exceeds the performance requirements of:
ASTM D5216
It also meets the corrosion protection requirements of:
ASTM D3306
ASTM D4985
GM 1899
GM 1825
ASTM D1384
ASTM D4340
ASTM D2570
ASTM D2809
I am waiting for a response from Prestone and Peak!

I will post what is replied.
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Old January 18th, 2005, 12:45   #7
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Default Re: G12 Vs. Prestone® All Makes All Models Antifreeze

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Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant

British Leyland - LTS 22AF 10
Caterpillar (*) - EC-1
Chrysler - MS 9176
Deutz/MWM - 0199-2091 (2. Auflage)
Ford - WSS-M97B44-C
General Motors/US - GM 6277M
Mack (*) - 014GS17004
MAN Nutzfahrzeuge - MAN 248 & 324
MAN B&W - D36 5600
Navistar (*) - B-1, typ III
Renault (*) - 41-01-001
Ulstein Bergen - 2.13.01
VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda - TL 774 D
MB - 325.3 Sheet
Pete,

If I read your above quote correctly, are you in fact saying the Havoline Extended Life coolant, and or Prestone all models extended life coolant meets the VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda TL 774 D testing?, i.e., compatible with G12??

AKA "DEX-COOL? Prestone extended life, Havoline Extended life dexcool.
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Old January 19th, 2005, 20:01   #8
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Why not just ask Prestone if their coolants comply with the VAG specs? Isn't that the simplest thing to do?
Would like to find out whether the" New Prestone All Makes All Models Ext. Life Antifreeze/Coolant"
is compatible with the VW G12 coolant as apparently VW, Audi etc. cars are supposed to use only
their own G12 product. Has your product been also tested on VW cars ?
An answer is appreciated.


Thanks very much for your inquiry. The new Prestone Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant For All Makes All Models is
compatible with your vehicles coolant. The product can be safely added to your existing coolant or used in place of it
if desired.

Thank you.

Prestone

WHAT NOW ?
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Old January 19th, 2005, 22:00   #9
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Default Re: G12 Vs. Prestone® All Makes All Models Antifre

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Thanks very much for your inquiry. The new Prestone Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant For All Makes All Models is compatible with your vehicles coolant. The product can be safely added to your existing coolant or used in place of it if desired.

Thank you.

Prestone

Looks like they are claiming it won't cause coolant sludge or similar problems when mixed with VW G12, but are not claiming that it meets VW's specifications for G12.

An analogy: nearly all motor oils that you find on the shelf of the auto store are compatible with each other. But only some (if any) of them meet the specifications for your car's engine.
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Old January 21st, 2005, 20:24   #10
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I am waiting for a response too!!!
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Old January 22nd, 2005, 08:55   #11
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Default G12 Vs. Prestone® All Makes All Models Antifreeze

I replaced my coolant with prestone dexcool AFTER A COMPLETE FLUSH AND WATER PUMP REPLACEMENT. Most members miss this minor detail and have a baby cow over the fact that i am not using G12 or 11 or something. No problems yet.
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Old January 22nd, 2005, 09:22   #12
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"Volkswagen/Audi Extended Life Pink: The type installed in US- bound cars contains sebacate and a trace amount of another organic acid called adipate, plus other inhibitors. However, VW reportedly is using organic acid formulas with both sebacate and 2-EHA in European models, so DexCool apparently should be considered an acceptable alternative as would prestone extended life gold."

A lot of supposition in that quote but read the article FWIW:

http://www.macsw.org/pdf/200410MS.pdf
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Old January 26th, 2005, 13:06   #13
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Their response:


Hello Clem:
If you would like to install OEM antifreeze in your vehicle your will have to purchase the antifreeze from your
dealer. However, Prestone Extended Life Antifreeze is safe to use in your VW and will offer excellent cooling system
protection. Prestone Extended Life has been proven in the laboratory to be compatible with all new extended life
formulas at concentrations typically used in all newer vehicles coming off the production line today. These automobile
manufacturers include Audi, BMW, Daewoo, Daimler Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Mercedes, Mitsubishi, Suzuki,
Toyota, Volvo, and VW.

We hope this has been helpful. If you need additional information please let us know.

Prestone


Although specificlly asked they would not respond, whether
it was tested on VW engines.
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Old January 26th, 2005, 14:34   #14
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Sounds sufficient to me. I had to have some about two weeks ago and had to go to the dealer for it. $30 for a Gal.! I won't be letting them rip me off any more on this crap about you have to use G12! Your coolant will gel up and clog your cooling system! Nothing else is compatible!

Thanks to all who have researched this.
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Old January 26th, 2005, 15:35   #15
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I agree that $30/gal is a rip off. I got my G12 from impex when I ordered my TB kit. I think they wanted $15. For that price, I won't take a chance with other stuff. I've seen the hoses of a 98 VW that has only had G12 through them and they looked brand new inside. I like the stuff. Of course if my car had a leak and I had to add fluid every couple of weeks, I'ld probably think twice about G12.
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