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Old July 16th, 2004, 08:32   #1
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Default Are Torx heads the same as Star?

I was looking at security bits to keep in my toolbox, and noticed that the store had both Torx and "Star" security bits... Are they the same ?????? (given the tendancy of the maufacturers to head toward propriety, I'd be surprised if they were....)

The sets come with T-10,15,20,25,27,30,40. Aside from the weird 5-point bit I'll need for my MAF, are these all that would be found ?

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Old July 16th, 2004, 08:37   #2
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Default Are Torx heads the same as Star?

If they are labeled with a "T" before the number as in T-15, then it is a Torx bit. They are a 6-point pattern and are used throughout our cars.
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Old July 16th, 2004, 10:19   #3
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The sets come with T-10,15,20,25,27,30,40. Aside from the weird 5-point bit I'll need for my MAF, are these all that would be found ?
I think more than half of the torx bits in that set would be useless. Most every torx screw you'll have on your car will be either T-10 or T-15. If I remember correctly, the belly pan has 2 T-20 screws. Nothing larger than that (but someone correct me if I'm wrong.) So you might be better off buying 2 or 3 separate drivers rather than a whole set. I have one of those drivers that has different sized torx bits stored in the handle. But I also have a separate T-10 and T-15 because it's nice to have the bit stay with the driver rather than end up in the screw. Or lost.

Here's a place that has the security bits:
http://shop.metalnerd.com/index.cgi?code=3&cat=5
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Old July 16th, 2004, 11:41   #4
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Default Are Torx heads the same as Star?

Metalnerd sell the security bit for the MAF for $4 plus shipping so around $10. I bought a set of security Torx bits at Autozone for $15. 6 bits in the set. Thought it was worthwile...
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Old July 16th, 2004, 13:30   #5
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FWFW, most of the torque screws on the VW are the same size as the ones on Compaq comptuers. Works out nicely for me

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Old July 16th, 2004, 17:49   #6
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>>most of the torque screws on the VW are the same size as the ones on Compaq comptuers<<

You're showing your age^H^H^H youth, sonny.... I bought a couple of Torx screwdrivers when I needed to adjust my Diablo 630 printer....

Pepper10: Unfortunately I'll need the 5 point security bit, which is a BIT more expensive... I'll order that from Roseland in Canada when I'm ready to do my brakes...

So is the MAF the only thing on the VW that will require a security bit ???
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Old July 19th, 2004, 13:41   #7
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Torx are 6 pointed and star are 5 pointed.
The MAF on the 2002 and later models went from Torx to 5 pointed Star security bits, metalnerd sells them both.

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Old July 19th, 2004, 16:54   #8
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The belly pan is held on with (10) T-25 Torx screws.
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Old July 19th, 2004, 19:34   #9
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>>Torx are 6 pointed and star are 5 pointed<<

Perhaps on your side of the Atlantic, where they tend to use the proper word to describe whatever it is they're trying to describe....

These "Star" bits were definitely 6 pointed.... I was just wondering if the overall shape of the opening in the bolt-head was slightly different... (like triple-square versus "normal" 12 pointed... I have some ancient relics left over from my Type 3 and 4 days....)

I'll order the MetalNerd tools from the Canadian dealer, Roseland.... give some business to the local, and eliminate the cross-border hassles...

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Old July 19th, 2004, 20:08   #10
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If it has 6 points, it is Torx screw.
If it has 6 points + a center pin, it is a Torx 'tamper-proof' screw.
If it has 6 points rounded, it is a Torx Plus screw.
If it has 5 points + a center pin, it is a Torx Plus 'tamper-proof' screw.

(corrected after I went to one of my tool supplier's webpages)
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Old July 19th, 2004, 20:20   #11
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Default Are Torx heads the same as Star?

Torx Plus are 6 pointed, but the points are rounded. The only things I know of that use Torx Plus are some Ford truck caliper bolts and some VW/Audi head bolts. I have a set from Snap On, but have only ever used a couple sizes.

Gotta be careful, because at first glance they look like a regular Torx, and a regular Torx bit will fit in, but will not grab the fastener properly and can destroy it or the tool!

The 5 pointers I think right now are just star socketed. Snap On currently does not have these (or at least my dealer does not know of them yet).

Edit: now MOGolf's description is correct.
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Old July 19th, 2004, 22:15   #12
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hehehe. I caught myself thinking, "What the heck are we doing here, discussing 'when is a Torx not a Torx?' Don't we have anything better to do? Isn't there more to life?"

Then the thought passed. And I felt better.
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Old July 20th, 2004, 22:56   #13
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You mean, something like:

All Torx, no action ????

(sorry...)
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