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Old April 9th, 2004, 22:01   #1
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Here is a start at an FAQ for buying a used car with a TDI engine. Please add and comment.

What to find out before going to see the car (e.g. from the VIN, you can check warranty and recall history, and title history).

Find out if the seller is a private party or a dealer (and if a dealer, what kind -- new car dealer, used car dealer, mechanic selling used cars on the side, etc. -- also whether the dealer is a VW or TDI specialist or VW franchised new car dealer).

Ask the seller if the car has the following:

owner's manual
keys (2 master, 1 valet, wheel lock if applicable)
radio code (if applicable)
maintenance records

Note that missing stuff can be expensive to replace. Lack of maintenance records indicates a more risky buy, as well as immediate expense to do "catch up" maintenance. Lack of maintenance records increases the risk of denial of warranty service.

Ask the seller where s/he took the car for maintenance (and check the reputation of that shop with respect to servicing VWs -- also some shops will tell you what maintenance was done on the car in their shop). If s/he is a do-it-yourselfer, ask what kind of oil s/he used. Write down the answer (brand, type, and SAE grade) to check against a list of suitable oils for that car's engines (that will give an idea of how careful the seller was at reading maintenance manuals -- note that many 5W-40 oils are suitable for use in ALH TDI engines, but very few 5W-30 oils are suitable; BEW TDI engines require VW 505.01 rated oil only).

Ask the seller if there has been any crash damage. If so, what kind of damage, and are there receipts for the repairs?

Get the VIN from the seller. Ask a VW new car dealer to provide the warranty and recall history on the car (will show only free under warranty service, not customer-pay maintenance), and do a title check with your state or province DMV and/or a vehicle title check company. Salvage or rebuilt titles issued when the vehicle was relatively new indicate a lot of damage, but when issued on an older car may have been due to relatively minor damage (but you'll want documentation and receipts if you decide to go further on the car).

If possible, test drive a known good (or new) similar car so that you can tell if the used car you are test driving is driving properly.

Ask the seller if there are any modifications on the car. You may or may not like certain modifications, but be aware that warranty service may be denied on parts affected by the modifications.

If you live in a CARB emissions state, and the car in question was not available new in your state for emissions reasons (for TDI engines, this means beginning in 2004, likely until 2006 at least), be sure to check that the car has the minimum mileage and/or age to be registerable as a used car in your state.

What to look for on the initial inspection and test drive (for the average person, as opposed to a mechanic).

Check upon seeing the car:

General condition.

Verify keys, owner's manual, maintenance records, etc. that the seller told you about before you saw the car. Verify that all of the keys and remotes work.

Check that tires are the correct size and rating for the car, they are a matched set, and they have even wear with no strange wear patterns. Mismatched tires, or new front tires with partially worn OEM rear tires can indicate lack of tire rotation (which is specified in the maintenance schedule as part of the services to be done every 10000 miles).

Check that the coolant reservoir has coolant of the correct color (pink or purple VW G12 for newer VWs, blue VW G11 for somewhat older VWs unless it has been flushed and replaced with pink or purple VW G12; brown indicates mixed coolant that must be flushed; other colors indicate incorrect coolant).

Check for coolant migration by unplugging the plug on the coolant reservoir and feeling if there is any liquid in it. If coolant migration has occurred, it may have damaged the instrument panel or other expensive electrical components.

Check the brake fluid. Clear is probably recently changed brake fluid, brown is probably a few years old, and black is way past the specified two year change interval. DOT 4 brake fluid is specified, but there isn't an easy way to tell if the brake fluid in the car is DOT 4 or the more common DOT 3.

Check other fluids for the correct level.

Check for signs of repaired crash damage (e.g. bent rear license place, paint mismatch, missing emissions label or tire pressure sticker, plastic headlamp lenses where one side looks more faded (older) than the other, etc.). Note that the seller might not know about previous crash damage if s/he bought the car used, or it was damaged and repaired before being sold new. Receipts for crash damage repairs should indicate whether OEM, used, or aftermarket parts were used. Aftermarket parts have a worse reputation for fit, corrosion resistance, and bumper protection (and obviously won't be covered by VW corrosion warranties). Heavy crash damage (as indicated by frame straightening or air bag replacement) can be more risky (in terms of future problems with the car) than minor damage repaired by replacement of bolt-on parts.

On the test drive, it should drive well. Try to include varied conditions, such as a freeway on-ramp, in your test drive. If you have test driven a known good or new car of the same type, compare.

Check engine and air bag lights in the dash should light up and then go out when starting the car. If they don't light up, assume that someone in the past is trying to hide an expensive problem in the car.

What the maintenance history should look like.

Maintenance schedules can be found at http://www.vw.com/spweb/pages/spweb/serv_maint_part.jsp , in the owner's manual, or in the Bentley service manual.

Generally for a4-platform cars with the ALH TDI engine:

5000 miles: oil change (note, not needed every 5000 miles, just the first 5000 miles)
10000, 30000, 50000, 70000, 90000 miles: minor service
20000, 60000, 100000 miles: medium service
40000, 80000 miles: major service
every two years: replace brake fluid with DOT 4 brake fluid
every 40000 miles: timing belt change (ALH engine through 2001, old type belt and tensioner, automatic transmission)
every 60000 miles: timing belt change (ALH engine through 2001, old type belt and tensioner, manual transmission)
every 80000 miles: timing belt change (ALH engine 2002, new type belt and tensioner)
every 100000 miles: timing belt change (ALH engine 2003, new type belt and tensioner with larger roller; BEW engine 2004-2005)

The new timing belt for ALH engines began to be used late in the 2001 model year (ALH engine number 500,000 and higher); the longer change intervals began to be put in the maintenance checklists in 2002. The larger roller began to be used in 2003. Note that the timing belt change also involves changing the tensioner (old / new type applies here also) and replacing some bolts (the bolts need to be removed to replace the belt; using new bolts is specified). TDI engines can suffer major damage if the timing belt breaks.

Most shops will use the same type of timing belt and associated parts that were in the engine when it left the factory. I.e. a used car that has had its timing belt changed probably has a new timing belt that is of the same type as when it left the factory.

Some 2001 owner's manuals had incorrect timing belt change intervals. They listed timing belt changes at 40000, 60000, and 80000 miles for TDI engines with automatic transmissions. The 60000 mile timing belt change should be for TDI engines with manual transmissions (the 40000 and 80000 mile timing belt changes for TDI engines with automatic transmissions is correct).

Very low mileage cars (under 10000 miles per year?) may need some services done by time instead of mileage.

Pre-2002 cars had the 5000, 10000, and 20000 mile services and the first brake fluid change free under warranty (so the warranty history available at any dealer should show these services if they were done).

Note that when looking at VW dealer receipts, the correct oil part numbers are:

1996-2003 TDI engines in the US: ZVW-352-540S (Castrol Syntec 5W-40, which meets VW 505.00) or G-052-167-A2 (Castrol TXT 505.01, which also meets VW 505.00 in addition to VW 505.01)

2004-2006 TDI engines in the US: G-052-167-A2 only (Castrol TXT 505.01, which meets VW 505.01) -- any non-VW 505.01 rated oil will result in denial of engine warranty service, according to the owner's manual

What to look for if you are a mechanic or what to ask a mechanic to look for (in addition to the usual general inspection stuff).

Inspect timing belt condition (and if you know what the old and new types look like, note what kind is in the engine).

Inspect brake pad wear. The wear limit for the a4 platform Golf and Jetta front and rear brake pads is 7mm, including the backing plate. Rear brake pads tend to wear out more quickly than front brake pads on these cars.

Use a scan tool to check any codes stored in the ECU. Note: if the car has an aftermarket radio, someone using a VW 1552 scan tool may be unwilling to scan the car. See http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/aftermarket-radio.html . Note: be careful about scanning the airbags, since the airbag controller may die in some cars. See http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/vw_issues.html .

Common problems:

a3 platform Jetta:

all?: Odometer rolls over to zero at 300000 miles (instead of 1000000 miles that one may expect from a six digit odometer).

a4 platform cars with ALH TDI engine:

1998-2002: Window regulator clips may fail. There is a 7-year warranty extension available for repair.

all: Mass airflow sensor may fail. There is a 7 year or 70000 mile warranty available for repair on pre-2002 cars.

1998-2001?: Relay 109 may fail. Shine a flashlight between the steering column and the lower trim panel to find a gray or black block with a "109" (or "601" -- upside down) on it. The black ones are failure prone (but are not too expensive to replace with gray ones).

1998-2002?: Door latch switch (usually driver's) may fail. This may result in odd behavior of the interior lights, alarm, and buzzer for headlamps left on. Warranty replacements may have used a newer type of door latch that is quieter when locked or unlocked.

1999-??? Golf / Jetta: Glove box door hinge may fail.

2002 Golf / Jetta: Double-DIN Monsoon stereo may sound bad. Some were miswired from the factory.

1998-???: Brake lamp switch may fail, causing the glow plug light in the dash to blink (even though the brake lamps may work). A recall was issued for some cars in April 2004, according to the NHTSA web site.

2001: Some cars had an ABS controller that can catch fire. There was a recall on it.

2000-2001 Golf / Jetta / Beetle: Some cars have an airbag controller that self-destructs if scanned with a scan tool. See http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/vw_issues.html .

2000-2002 Golf / Jetta: Some cars have a hazard switch that may fail. This is under recall campaign VX.

2004-2005?: Some owner's manuals incorrectly listed the motor oil type. The correct motor oil for the 2004 and newer PD TDI engines should be VW 505.01 rated oil only, but the incorrect owner's manuals listed the spec for older TDI engines (VW 505.00, ACEA B3 or B4, or API CF-4 or CG-4). This may have caused a previous owner of the car to use the incorrect oil.

Year by year differences (other than those listed above):

b4 platform Passat with TDI engine sold in the US from 1996 to 1997:

1996: Passat with 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code 1Z) becomes available.

1997: Last year for the b4 platform Passat (engine code 1Z (or AHU?) for TDI engines).

a3 platform Jetta with TDI engine sold in the US from 1997 to 1999:

1997: Jetta with 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code 1Z or AHU) becomes available.

1999: Last year for the a3 platform Jetta.

b5 platform Passat with TDI engine sold in the US in 1998 and 2005:

1998: b5 platform Passat introduced. 1.9L 90hp TDI engine is an extremely rare option before VW cancels sales of Passats with TDI engines in the US. Rumor is that two or four cars with TDI engines were sold.

2001 mid-year: New Passat with somewhat different styling (most obviously in the headlamps and taillamps) is introduced. It is still on the b5 platform.

2001 mid-year?: Side curtain airbags added as standard equipment. Note the "airbag" labels on the pillars.

2003: Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) becomes an option.

2004: 2.0L 134hp TDI engine becomes available as an option with automatic transmission only. Only VW 505.01 rated motor oil is to be used in this TDI engine. Not available new in CARB emissions states.

2005: Last year of the b5 platform Passat.

New Beetle with TDI engine sold in the US from 1998 to 2006:

1998: New Beetle introduced on the a4 platform. 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code ALH (though one poster has reported an engine code AGR on an early Canadian 1998 New Beetle) with either 5-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission optional through 2003.

1999: Side turn signal behind front fender added.

1999: Antilock brakes become standard instead of optional.

2002: Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) becomes an option.

2004: Pump injector 1.9L 100hp TDI engine (engine code BEW), replaces rotary pump 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code ALH). Only VW 505.01 rated motor oil is to be used in the BEW TDI engine. Not available new in CARB emissions states.

2004: Optional automatic transmission is a 6-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) instead of a 4-speed.

2004: Front seat mounted side airbags changed to include head protection.

2006: Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) becomes standard.

a4 platform Golf and Jetta with TDI engine sold in the US from 1999 to 2005 (Jetta) or 2006 (Golf):

1999: New Golf and New Jetta introduced. The older a3 platform Golf and Jetta were sold early in the 1999 model year. The New Golf came in two door GL and four door GLS models, while the New Jetta came in four door GL and GLS models available with the 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code ALH) with either 5-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission. GLS models through 2002 added power windows, power mirrors, center fold down armrest for the front seats, and velour cloth. Note: GTI and Jetta GLX models were not available with TDI engines.

2000: Immobilizer anti-theft system added. When new keys are made, all keys that you want to work with the car must be present when the car's ECU is programmed to accept them. This programming must be done with a VW-specific scan tool. If the car is started without the presence of a key recognized by the ECU, the engine will turn off in a few seconds.

2001 mid-year: Side curtain air bags became standard equipment. Note the "airbag" labels on the pillars.

2002: Jetta wagon becomes available with the TDI engine (was available in 2001 with 2.0L and VR6 engines).

2002 mid-year: Double-DIN stereo includes CD player as well as radio and cassette. Replaces dash pocket above single-DIN stereo (in older cars, a single disc CD player was an option that could be installed by the dealer or owner). A six disc CD changer mounted in the trunk is an option that could be installed by the dealer or owner for both the single-DIN and double-DIN stereos.

2002: Four door Golf GL became available (previously, Golf GL was only available in two door). This is the only a4-platform four door Golf with manual windows.

2003: Different wheel covers and aluminum wheels replace the styles used until 2002. Golf and Jetta use different aluminum wheels (previously both shared the same design for the 15" aluminum wheels).

2003: GL trim line adds power windows. GLS trim line adds aluminum wheels and moonroof, which was formerly the luxury package option.

2003: Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) becomes an option.

2003: Cupholders move to the center console.

2003: Last year for the two door a4-platform Golf TDI in the US.

2004: On Star Telematics becomes an option

2004: Pump injector 1.9L 100hp TDI engine (engine code BEW), replaces rotary pump 1.9L 90hp TDI engine (engine code ALH). Only VW 505.01 rated motor oil is to be used in the BEW TDI engine. Not available new in CARB emissions states.

2004: Optional automatic transmission is a 5-speed Tiptronic instead of a 4-speed non-Tiptronic.

2004: Jetta is cosmetically altered, with different taillamps, more chrome trim, and spoiler lip on the trunk lid.

2005: Last year of the a4 Jetta sedan in the US; the a5 New Jetta sedan was introduced in the middle of the 2005 model year.

2006: Last year of the a4 Golf in the US; the a5 Rabbit (renamed from Golf) replaces it for the 2007 model year.

Note: The a4 platform Golf and Jetta continues to be available in Canada as the City Golf and City Jetta as a lower price car, sold alongside the more expensive a5 platform cars. However, no TDI engine is available in the City Golf and City Jetta (2.0L gasoline engine only).

Touareg with TDI engine sold in the US from 2004:

2004: Touareg becomes available with 5.0L 313hp V10 TDI engine as an option. Only VW 505.01 rated motor oil is to be used in this TDI engine. Not available new in CARB emissions states.

2005: Touareg TDI engine is not available this year.

2006: V10 TDI engine resumes availability in the Touareg. (oil requirement?)

2007: (oil requirement? AdBlue?)

2008: Touareg is revised and renamed Touareg 2; V10 TDI engine continues to be available. (oil requirement? AdBlue?)

2009: Touareg TDI engine option is now a 3.0L 221hp V6 TDI engine. Only VW 507.00 rated oil is to be used in the common rail TDI engines. AdBlue fluid must be periodically refilled.

a5 platform Jetta with TDI engine sold in the US from 2005:

2005 mid year: a5 platform New Jetta introduced in the US. 1.9L TDI engine with 100hp will be available, but not in CARB emissions states. Only VW 505.01 rated motor oil is to be used in this TDI engine. The automatic transmission option is a 6-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) transmission. The a4 platform Jetta is sold during the early part of the 2005 model year.

2006: a5 platform GTI is offered in the US. The a4 platform GTI was offered in the early part of the 2006 model year.

2007: a5 platform Rabbit (renamed from Golf) offered in the US. Through the 2009 model year, the Rabbit is not offered with a TDI engine in the US.

2007: TDI engine not available in the US. Production of 2006 model year TDI engine Jettas will be extended later into the 2006 calendar year.

2009: Jetta sedan and Sportwagen available with common rail TDI engine in the US. Only VW 507.00 rated oil is to be used in the common rail TDI engines.

a6 platform Golf with TDI engine sold in the US from 2010:

2010: a6 platform Golf (renamed from Rabbit) offered in the US. Common rail TDI engine is now available in the Golf as well as the Jetta sedan and Sportwagen. Only VW 507.00 rated oil is to be used in the common rail TDI engines.

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Old April 10th, 2004, 10:03   #2
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Excellent information. Thank you for taking the time to write this information up for the club.

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Old April 10th, 2004, 11:08   #3
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This is great. You and Harvieux should conspire to write one of these to be posted in the FAQ.
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Old April 11th, 2004, 11:57   #4
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ditto...ttt
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Old April 12th, 2004, 15:34   #5
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I just came from having a mechanic check out a used 02 beetle and in addition to the above he:

disconnected hose from EGR valve and wiped out black crud with rag. He said this one wasn't bad, but that they can very quickly become clogged with baked-on crud. This is worse, he said, with non-synthetic oil, so it can help verify that proper oil was used. If caught early, cleaning it out can be enough, but in some cases the part must be replaced (at about $225 + install, I think he said).

Removed plastic cover over engine to inspect underneath.

Ran car with hood up (with and without AC) to listen to it.

Drove car on surface streets and freeway, checking performance and listening for odd sounds (such as from bad wheel bearing).

Checked under front of car for damage to plastic shield there (right next to intercooler, which he pointed out as a potential problem someday because the bug is so low). He recommended an aluminum replacement cover from www.dieselgeek.com

Warned me (in Texas) against a black car because they get hot enough to damage some plastic and rubber components of lights, etc.

warned me about ease of breaking plastic (such as when replacing headlight) in cold weather.

Looked into crankcase from above with a flashlight. This one was very clean and thus it was a bonus bit of info, but I don't know how long before one should expect it to take befor it would look grimy there.

A lot of this applies to any car, of course, so maybe it doesn't fit the thread, but overall I was impressed that he really checked things out. After I'd spent two days really looking things over, I still learned a lot by watching him. Also saved me a little time getting oriented to the car (which wife is buying now) since he pointed out all the main parts and a few common pitfalls as we were going along. I felt lucky to be allowed in the shop with him while he was working.

Anyway, just my observations of his inspection. Take it with a grain of salt as I'm not an expert mechanic and I've never owned a VW before.

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Old August 16th, 2004, 10:10   #6
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Thanks for the link...hopefully I will have a TDI in the near futue
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 08:04   #7
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2000 Jetta, trunk won't open with key or electronic thing. What's up?
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Old July 26th, 2005, 11:49   #8
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Quote:
2000 Jetta, trunk won't open with key or electronic thing. What's up?
You need to create a new thread for this topic.
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Old August 25th, 2005, 19:12   #9
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What if someone with a bunch more time than I could even dream of pulls up my close to 3500 postings to date and goes through them and picks out all the pertinent buying proceedures and precautions and combines them in one sticky. I can virtually promise that there will be little to none to add to these proceedures on a whole. They will cover processes of buying sight unseen as well, which would be of upmost importance to this forum. Of course, we can have other member's suggestions analyzed for implementation as well. Later!
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Old August 25th, 2005, 21:31   #10
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Harv - I know of no one better than you to do this. Who else would be able to isolate the really important information?

Believe it or not, many (I'd guess that most) of us greatly appreciate your contributions here. I know that I do.
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Old September 1st, 2005, 17:01   #11
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If possible get a vag-com and plug it in for the test drive, the areas to look for should be
1) actual MAF figures vs. expected MAF.
2) requested MAP (boost) vs. actual MAP during a 3rd gear full throttle run.

These can tell you if there is possible trouble that isn't showing yet characterised by underboost, overboost, or a bad MAF.

Also pull the rubber boots on the pillar side of the rear doors on 98-01 passats, and check the wires there for cracks or breaks as the wires used are not great quality and can cause nasty gremlin problems wit hthe alarm systems or speakers not working.
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Old September 8th, 2005, 14:26   #12
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moderator, please update the maint schedule link to
http://www.vw.com/spweb/pages/spweb/serv_maint_part.jsp
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Old September 12th, 2005, 20:14   #13
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Bookmarking this post. I just curbed my 2000 VW Jetta GLX (gasser) less than 2 weeks ago and am already missing driving it.

On the market for a TDI and will probably be buying a used one (one of the reasons curbed the VW was to save $$ monthly).
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2003 was the last year for the 2-dr Golf
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Old November 7th, 2005, 00:03   #15
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Coolant migration problem should be added to the checklist for all (?) model years, yes?
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