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Old April 6th, 2020, 16:11   #1
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Default Entire TDI family named "Worst Foreign Car Engine Of All Time"

Probably predictable reactions, but agree/disagree? Comment below.
https://www.thethings.com/ranking-th...and-the-worst/ (scroll to bottom of the article if tl;dr)
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Taking the top spot of worst engine is the VW diesel engines. Technically there is not much wrong with them mechanically but on the other hand they represent the worst aspect in manufacturing: cutting corners and cost. That and also lying to the whole world and putting peoples health at risk.
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Old April 6th, 2020, 17:36   #2
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Still whining about dieselgate. Meh - can't move on.

This writer has a hard on for unfathomably expensive high end gas engines, even the ones where the manufacturers lied (virtually all of them depending on your definitions). For example, he's having a wet dream over Honda's S2000 engine. Yeah, for a track maybe, but this is a street car, where a 500rpm wide power band that doesn't start until over 8k rpms is more useless on the street than an elephant with diarrhea.

So, it is unsurprising that VW is castigated for putting peoples health at risk, while all those other 99+% of gasser engines produce more and deadlier soot particles that are skipped because you can't see them as easily. Seriously, check a real article where they'll mention that gasser PMs are worse because they're smaller, penetrate deeper into lungs, and can't be rejected for that very reason.

So: prejudiced and uninformed author. Par, unfortunately.

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Old April 7th, 2020, 13:47   #3
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Where's he at? Let me at em.....
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Old April 7th, 2020, 13:48   #4
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Old April 7th, 2020, 18:36   #5
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So, it is unsurprising that VW is castigated for putting peoples health at risk, while all those other 99+% of gasser engines produce more and deadlier soot particles that are skipped because you can't see them as easily.
lol
test drive an ecoboost ford pickup some time, or any direct injected GM
WOT they smoke worse than any VW diesel, even a stock 1.6 from 1985
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Old April 7th, 2020, 19:08   #6
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Lol. Doubtful that article will get much love here. Hardly a basis for “the worst engine of all time.”.

PH said it very well above2...
The author is severely misinformed.
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Old April 7th, 2020, 20:14   #7
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7 Best: Ferrari F136 F V8: The world record holder for NA engines, 135hp per liter, arguably the greatest NA V8 ever made and judging by the current emission trend this will most likely be the last of the high revving NA V8 that Ferrari will produce. We can find solace in the fact that its replacement turbo V8 is actually pretty good.
Wait, what was that about people's health?


Also, the EPA'98 (ALH) and EPA'04 (PD) engines were compliant. Dieselgate didn't apply to them, so maybe the author should've been more specific. Generally I'm not a fan (in theory) of piezoelectric HPCR injectors due to their decreased reliability when compared to the electromagnetic solenoid types found in heavy duty engines. But then again, the author of the article didn't specify.


Most people I've spoken to about the rotary engine love it, so we're probably not the only group shaking our heads at this article
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Also, the EPA'98 (ALH) and EPA'04 (PD) engines were compliant.
as were the 1z, ahu, and possibly the aaz, though I'm uncertain on if those were canada only
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One of the worst articles i've ever read... He's basically saying I like this engine because, with no form of actual engineering reason
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Old April 8th, 2020, 16:41   #10
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I'm not clicking on that link. I've owned a lot of cars, and only one was American. There are some really bad engines out there, including VW's aircooled engines when in a Bus. Not enough airflow, very short life.

I'd argue that the ALH is the best 4 cylinder engine made, perhaps rivaled by Toyota's 2.4L Pickup (and Previa) engine. You want a bad 4 cylinder: GM Ecotec, especially the early ones. And the worst of all time? the Vega 2.3L engine.
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Not clicking on that link either.

OMG!! (LOL) I wish I had known that the entire TDI family was named "Worst Car Engine of All Time" before I put only 361k trouble free miles on an 02 Golf TDI (currently in the hands of its 3rd owner at only 428k miles), 170k miles on an 05 PD JWagen TDI, and 102k trouble free miles on a 2010 JSW TDI. All of my TDIs had performance mods which stressed everything harder because I always drove them like I stole them.

I might have owned several gassers instead of TDIs if I had known that ahead of time. (LOL)
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I'd argue that the ALH is the best 4 cylinder engine made, perhaps rivaled by Toyota's 2.4L Pickup (and Previa) engine. You want a bad 4 cylinder: GM Ecotec, especially the early ones. And the worst of all time? the Vega 2.3L engine.[/QUOTE]

yep! good engines. ive always wanted a older Toyota truck.
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Are the ecotecs really that bad? A friend of mine has a Saturn Sky with the 2.0l turbo ecotec. With the tune he loaded it makes around 300 hp. I was impressed when I drove it. It does have quite low mileage, hope it holds up for him.
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The early ones vibrated themselves into pieces. And had all kinds of head issues. Like so many things from GM, they got it right, eventually.
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Are the ecotecs really that bad? A friend of mine has a Saturn Sky with the 2.0l turbo ecotec. With the tune he loaded it makes around 300 hp. I was impressed when I drove it. It does have quite low mileage, hope it holds up for him.
if it takes a pf457g it is an okay motor with some timing chain issues if neglected and CCV icing issues if run in the MN climate
anything else and it's junk, especially the newer ones with the 2257s, they have a very VW-inspired CCV system (you know how every gas VW motor has had or will have massive vacuum leaks?), and a cassette coil that is very tricky to remove without breaking
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