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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:45   #1
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Default Buyback turn-in is now November ‘18

Just finished talking to GM at my VW dealer and was informed that they will take turn-in for the 2.0 Liter TDI until end of November (not December anymore); the Audi side of the dealership may have a different end date. I don’t know if this is a universal practice; maybe it’s a good idea to check with your dealer every now and then if you plan on turn-in toward the end of year.
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Old February 16th, 2018, 07:51   #2
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Don't trust anything a dealer tells you regarding end dates, contact the online site or the 1800 set up for the settlement for confirmation. Dealers are just a middle man between the cash the lawyers and VWoA.

Talk is cheap and dealers are known for some wild crazy stories.
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Old February 16th, 2018, 11:19   #3
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Bet that's there line they give everyone hoping to avoid a last second December rush.
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Old February 16th, 2018, 16:46   #4
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So, let me get this straight: they will tell this "-to GM at my VW dealer-" but not notify the owners of these cars, who are the ones most directly affected. Yeah, that seems reasonable. And what happens when lawyers for a couple of thousand owners who planned to turn in in December arrive waving the legal agreement?*

*Things like the dates for turn-in stem from a legally binding agreement entered into in Federal court, and ratified by a judge. VW can no more unilaterally change that agreement than they can come up with an affordable family spaceship.
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Old February 16th, 2018, 21:08   #5
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Let's be clear about who is telling whom what; that is, the responses seem to be interpreting this as a statement the dealership made about VW telling them buybacks are shutting down in November. But it's also true that the dealership can just individually stop accepting buybacks after November even though VW hasn't made that policy. In that case, the statement could be completely true without any hogwash from the GM.
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Old February 19th, 2018, 09:48   #6
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Let's be clear about who is telling whom what; that is, the responses seem to be interpreting this as a statement the dealership made about VW telling them buybacks are shutting down in November. But it's also true that the dealership can just individually stop accepting buybacks after November even though VW hasn't made that policy. In that case, the statement could be completely true without any hogwash from the GM.
I tend to agree with the principal here. VW dealers can decide when to stop accepting turn-in vehicles; the remaining question is whether VW AG is obligated to make turn-in convenient for the consumer. If VW reaches the target % of turn in, they may feel off the hook and start behaving accordingly! It could be, as we get closer and closer to the bitter end, things start to get helter-skelter. Tighten the seatbelts folks!
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Old February 19th, 2018, 13:05   #7
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Some posts in this thread are conflating two clearly separate things:
1. The final date for a turn-in, which is 12/31/2018, and which VW is required to comply with per legal agreement.
2. Dealers participating as "hosts" in the buyback program. Nothing in the legal agreement requires any VW dealer (which are not owned by VW, but are all independently owned and operated) to participate, or, once participating, states when or if they can end such participation.
It is not completely clear in the OP which of these things is being discussed, but my opinion is that it leans rather strongly in the direction of #2. I think anyone who believes their dealer of choice is about to pull out of the program should consider pulling the trigger ASAP and turn the car in. I have no particular dealer in mind. Will they all pull out? Will I have to drive to Herndon, VA and turn it in? We live in interesting times....
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Old February 20th, 2018, 07:49   #8
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The dealership closest to where I live, stopped doing buybacks as of January 31st. So did another dealership in the Houston area. This however, does not mean that VW stopped doing buybacks as of 01/31/2018. Instead, it means I will be driving 20+ miles to turn in my car (as long as the remaining dealerships in the area continue to participate) when I could have turned it in several months early by driving 12 miles to the local dealership. Those of us who have chosen to hold out a bit longer are certainly taking the risk of not being able to turn the car into the closest or preferred dealership, but to each...his own.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 16:48   #9
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From the 2 liter notice: "The Class Action Settlement claim program closes on December 30, 2018. You must have submitted a
complete and valid claim by September 1, 2018 to get a Buyback or an Approved Emissions
Modification plus Restitution Payment by the time the Class Action Settlement claim program ends. To
ensure that you have adequate time to schedule your Buyback or Approved Emissions Modification, do
not wait until the deadlines are fast approaching."

So there is no promise that you will be able to schedule if you try to do it very close to the deadline. Trying to wait until the last minute might be stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny.

You have been warned in the official settlement that an appointment is not guaranteed if you wait until the last moment. There is not going to be a legal out here, as one has already been given by allowing you to execute a buyback or modification now.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 05:09   #10
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I’ll set my appointment in August for a turn-in in November (not December). This way if the chosen dealer decided to quit receiving cars (which they can clearly do, even after an appointment is taken), then I still have time to scramble for an alternative.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 14:06   #11
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As I happens, we will probably not wait until December to turn the car in, because things get kind of hectic for us around the holidays— so, sometime this Fall.
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Old March 7th, 2018, 09:09   #12
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We just completed our buyback (Audi) today. The dealer closest to us stopped doing them recently so we had to drive a little further, but it wasn't a big deal.
VW recently pulled the buyback rep from that location as well, and the transaction was done over on an iPad using a Skype type program with a dealer employee facilitating the transaction. They used the iPad to take photos of the vehicle, important documents, us holding the check, etc. The dealer said they only have two buybacks scheduled all month (granted Audi has a lot less volume than VW), but that they are really slowing down. The dealer was in Raleigh, NC, so a sizable metro area.
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Old March 16th, 2018, 06:03   #13
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Thats funny, caus the phase 1 fix paperwork atates if phase 2 os not completed by a certain date, owners can still sell back their cars. I have a ‘15 GSW and have heard nada about phase 2 for a Gen 3 Tdi
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Old March 16th, 2018, 06:18   #14
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I’ll set my appointment in August for a turn-in in November (not December). This way if the chosen dealer decided to quit receiving cars (which they can clearly do, even after an appointment is taken), then I still have time to scramble for an alternative.
I wouldn’t wait until August. I’d keep checking the portal and as soon as they open up November slots I’d be on one like a duck on a Junebug.
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I wouldn’t wait until August. I’d keep checking the portal and as soon as they open up November slots I’d be on one like a duck on a Junebug.
While no one knows how availability of slots will change 5 months down the road, as of today, I am able to schedule appointments as early as 1st week of April through the last full week of July. This has been the trend since early February. If you are in a large metro area with multiple dealerships, I don't think it will be a concern to get an appointment for the last quarter of the year, as long as the dealerships are still participating.
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