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Old February 6th, 2018, 13:01   #1
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Default Manual transmission, DSG transmission fluid change

I've only had the car 7 months and still don't know all the slang that goes with my 2015 Golf TDI Sportwagen but I do have a lot of experience with other cars. It has a 6-speed manual transmission with a clutch pedal. So here's the question:

At 40K the maintenance manual says: "Transmission: 6 speed DSG (non-Automatic) Change fluid and filter."

I've never seen a manual transmission with a filter, and I can't find a filter on my car, but my tranny is certainly "non-Automatic". A bit confusing.

In Wikipedia it says VW makes a DSG transmission "without a conventional clutch pedal". I've driven a Citroen and a Volvo like this but I haven't seen a VW with one in the States. Are there some?

And lastly, none of the Youtube videos showing guys changing the tranny fluid on a manual ever mention a filter. And one of them says the fluid is "permanent".

So my guess is that my car is NOT DSG, there is no filter, and I don't need to change it at 40K unless I really want to. Am I right or wrong?
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Old February 6th, 2018, 13:12   #2
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Correct, your car is not a DSG. There is no filter on the manual gearboxes, and there is no 40k mile requirement for fluid changes on the manual gearbox, either.
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Old February 6th, 2018, 16:34   #4
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Just as jonferns says you have a manual tranny.

This is what DSG means:
DSG stands for Direkt-Schalt-Getriebe or direct shift gearbox. One can essentially treat it as two manual gearboxes working alternatively but packed inside one housing and therefore it uses two clutches and two gear shafts (one for each 'box, so to speak) to deliver power to the wheels.

But there is NO clutch pedal !
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Old February 6th, 2018, 16:37   #5
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Be glad you don't have a DSG. Not cheap to fix or maintain.
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Old February 6th, 2018, 19:06   #6
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Be glad you don't have a DSG. Not cheap to fix or maintain.
All the cars I had including my current Passat have never needed to be fixed. The maintenance is just a simple oil and filter change,$150.00 every 40k big deal!
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Be glad you don't have a DSG. Not cheap to fix or maintain.


This is simply not true. I'd be interested in hearing what experiences you've had with the DSG that made you feel this way
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Be glad you don't have a DSG. Not cheap to fix or maintain.
You neglected to add: IF it needs to be fixed and IF you have it serviced at a dealer. Ours has been fine at 68K miles, and I did the 40K service myself for around $120. I like it.
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Be glad you don't have a DSG. Not cheap to fix or maintain.

This is a false statement.
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I bought up fluids and filters from those turning their cars in, for cheap. $40 or less per kit (fluids and filter). I have enough to make it to at least 200k miles at the moment. Oil and filters as well. Pretty darn cheap if you try.
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This is simply not true. I'd be interested in hearing what experiences you've had with the DSG that made you feel this way
I dunno, oil change costing 150+, if you diy of course, twice as often at 40k. Manual = 30 bucks or so using syncromesh every 90k. I swapped to manual and went with single mass flywheel, so no more dual mass flywheel worries, get 10mpg more. win win Any DSG troubles will cost you dearly.
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This is a false statement.
Show me the math. I use to own one. I have oil/filter receipts. Not to mention flywheel receipts. I have to admit though, some are quite reliable if not abused, as with anything. I just wanted to skip the headaches of dmf and expensive oil changes. Went to manual and save all that weight was the best decision. My true motivation was better mpg.
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I swapped to manual and went with single mass flywheel,
And what did all that cost?
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Show me the math. I use to own one. I have oil/filter receipts. Not to mention flywheel receipts. I have to admit though, some are quite reliable if not abused, as with anything. I just wanted to skip the headaches of dmf and expensive oil changes. Went to manual and save all that weight was the best decision. My true motivation was better mpg.

I can show you hundreds of service history, just stop by the shop. You can do your own math. The 40k service is not *that* expensive. If that makes your butthole pucker, you should never own a Volkswagen in the first place.

Nobody will argue the manual is less money to operate, it is also $1100 less to buy new. But it isn't like the DSG is some horrible autobox like a lot of other ones are. And the manuals have DMF failures too.

I prefer manuals too, but the 02E DSG is not a bad transmission at all should you decide to not want to row your own gears. Stop spreading falsehoods here and scaring people about the DSG.
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