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Old February 4th, 2018, 09:43   #1
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Default Optimal intake temps for fuel economy

HI All,

I was wondering what you all felt the optimal intake temp was for the best fuel economy.

I ran across a chart from Cummins with their recommended intake temps for their stationary engines in generator applications (wished I saved the link but could not find it now) and it is possible to have intake air temps too hot or too cold.

In the colder months I installed a grill block in front of the intercooler cold air intake so I can keep intake temps more or less in the 65 to 95 degree range (of course depending on outside temps and boost levels)....Im seeing that the engine warms up faster too when blocking the air flow to the intercooler

I had though about rigging a way to manually regulate the amount of air hitting the intercooler to optimize intake temps for fuel economy....I suppose a high tech automated system would be the best but may be hard to engineer).

In the summer (or warm months) I don't block the intake to the intercooler at all since ambient is not low enough to be too cold.

Any thoughts?

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Old February 5th, 2018, 18:44   #2
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I ran mine without water in the intercooler for a while (intercooler is welded up inside the intake manifold, and the exhaust manifold will radiate quite a bit of heat into it, couldn't rest your hand on it after city driving) and it'd smoke white once fully hot, no trouble with that once I got water flowing through it.

I haven't run into issue with cold intake air yet, other than an interesting aside noticed while datalogging.
If you let it overrun from 75mph to a stop in -10 deg F, downshifting to to keep the revs up, your coolant temp will drop by 10 deg C, with the heater blower motor turned off.

ETA: I'd bet on colder intake air being better for efficiency just about all the way down to below where your coolant would freeze. It's not like a gas motor where the fuel has to be vaporized.
Interested in the math of what the heat of compression does with cooler intake air, as there's more airmass in there, but it's got a lower starting temperature...

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Old February 5th, 2018, 23:55   #3
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Good discussion of iat's here.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...not-21502.html
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Old February 6th, 2018, 06:19   #4
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It's difficult to differentiate the IAT effects from ambient temp effects, since there is generally a pretty strong correlation. The ideal IAT(not ambient) for fuel efficiency will probably also vary quite a bit based on load. When both ambient temps and IAT are quite low, the real benefit should come from blocking the radiator, rather than the intercooler.
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Old February 6th, 2018, 07:48   #5
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Old February 6th, 2018, 08:43   #6
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My B5 is happiest when the ambient temperature is between 75-85 degrees F. Fuel efficiency is down 10-15% with current temps just above freezing. I don't know how to tastefully put a shroud in front of the radiator to help bring engine temperatures up
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pipe insulation fitted tightly around each grill slat
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