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Old February 2nd, 2018, 23:51   #1
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Default Multiple Questions 1)Is 3400 RPM's normal at 80 for a 03 jetta wagon automatic?

Questions? I am currently looking at a 2003 ALH wagon auto jetta. I took it out for a test drive and the tach said 3400 ish rpm at 80 mph. Is this normal?. My 04 tdi sedan 5 speed runs about 2600 rpms
I also notice that if i throttle it the rpms go up faster than the speed of the vehicle but then catch up to each other. Is this tranny slip or just the way automatics normally drive?
What mileage can i expect if this is the normal rpms?
I have an 01 gaser 6 speed manual parts car. Any idea what a fair price for a mechanice to swap the trannys and parts? Will they mesh?
Car has 17900 miles on it and was a one owner car, in really good shape. Price $3700

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Old February 3rd, 2018, 00:43   #2
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Sounds like your torque converter is not locking up. So the transmission feels like it"s sliping all the time do you have an acces to a vcds if you have then you should check for any fault codes and then work from there on.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 01:04   #3
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I have an 01 gaser 6 speed manual parts car. Any idea what a fair price for a mechanice to swap the trannys and parts? Will they mesh?
Car has 17900 miles on it and was a one owner car, in really good shape. Price $3700
A gasser tranny will bolt up just fine. The problem you will have is the ratios will be completely wrong.

What makes the most sense is to just drive the gasser if it is drivable.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 05:09   #4
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The 03 wagon uses an 01m tranny that is infamous for its problems as the milage accumilates.
IMO, those trannsmisions are not worth investing money and time into once they develop issues.

The best solution is to replace the automatic with a 5spd (02J) or 6spd (02M)manual from a diesel vehicle.
A gas manual trans will have a significantly lower final drive ratio resulting in increased rpms, reduce milage, and more noise and wear.

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http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=434593

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Old February 3rd, 2018, 05:15   #5
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As noted, I would recommend steering clear of any used 01M equipped automatic. The only permanent fix for one that has begun acting up is a manual swap and that (in addition to other possible needed maintainence) will raise the real price of the vehicle beyond its worth.
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Does anyone have experience with how many hours it takes to do one of these swaps or a general cost range to have it done if i have a spare parts vehicle?

Were the automatics and sticks frames the same so that the bolt holes are already there or is this a total remodel job?
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Does anyone have experience with how many hours it takes to do one of these swaps or a general cost range to have it done if i have a spare parts vehicle?
Were the automatics and sticks frames the same so that the bolt holes are already there or is this a total remodel job?
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Does anyone have experience with how many hours it takes to do one of these swaps or a general cost range to have it done if i have a spare parts vehicle?
Were the automatics and sticks frames the same so that the bolt holes are already there or is this a total remodel job?

Direct swap, no fabrications required. If you have a manual donor car that's the best scenerio. Just use a manual from a TDI or the gear ratios are all wrong and not conducive to drivability or economy.
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I've never done the auto to manual swap because I've avoided the autos like the plague, but swapped out some manuals. I think the shift cable and console work will be the biggest part of the job.
The tranny in/out could be just a few hours, especially with a lift and a helper.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 08:39   #10
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Questions? I am currently looking at a 2003 ALH wagon auto jetta. I took it out for a test drive and the tach said 3400 ish rpm at 80 mph. Is this normal?. My 04 tdi sedan 5 speed runs about 2600 rpms
I also notice that if i throttle it the rpms go up faster than the speed of the vehicle but then catch up to each other. Is this tranny slip or just the way automatics normally drive?
What mileage can i expect if this is the normal rpms?
I have an 01 gaser 6 speed manual parts car. Any idea what a fair price for a mechanice to swap the trannys and parts? Will they mesh?
Car has 17900 miles on it and was a one owner car, in really good shape. Price $3700
As has been said, the trans is in the early stages of a TCC failure, probably.
There is likely a stored code that will become a CEL with more miles driven.
It does give you the opportunity to offer a reduced price; at least $2000 less, IMO.
The car is still desirable if the condition is nice. (I assume you mean 179,000 mi.)
With a new or repaired auto expect 38-40 mpg, with a manual expect 48-50 mpg.

This is a comprehensive thread on the topic of swapping out the auto:
Project Kill Da Auto Wabbit!, Or how I learned to love the Manual Swap.
It can be found in the 'Upgrades' forum here.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 16:43   #11
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Thankyou for all the information. I looked up carfax and it look slike the tranny was replaced at 40000 miles already. Man them trannies must be a piece of work.

Another question. The car has 205 size tires on it. how much will this effect the gas mileage and how far off will it make the speedometer for mph and calculating mpg?
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The proper tire size for an ALH TDI is 205/55 R 16 91H, (you really need to learn to be more specific on your tire sizes to get the right size). There is also a 15 inch size (I think 195/65 R15 91H) if that is what your rim size - you should be able to find it in the owners manual or on the car itself.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 16:55   #13
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The manual i have says 195, and the car has 205 on it, i didn't realize they were the same size. sorry to have wasted your time.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 19:01   #14
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Yes, most ALH Jetta sedans (I've had four so far) have had 195/65/15 OEM tires. I've run 205/65/15 and it brings the speedometer a bit closer to reading accurate and depends a bit on each tire brand/model. Odometer may read a couple percent low.
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My OEM tires were 195/65R15, but after they wore out I moved to 205/60R15 for a slightly wider contact patch at the same overall diameter, and never looked back.

Oh, and for information's sake, I'm turning about 2400 RPM with my 01M at 65mph on flat ground.
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