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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old January 22nd, 2018, 13:39   #1
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This will be the first episode of their new series called Dirty Money. It will be available to view starting this Friday, 1/26.

I expect this to release some previously not so public information about the whole debacle. It will also help shed light on why so many Opt-out's are holding strong to their decision to not accept the class action settlement.
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 16:09   #2
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Old January 25th, 2018, 01:18   #3
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Looking forward to it!
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Old January 25th, 2018, 07:39   #4
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sweet! Will definitely be watching.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 07:59   #5
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I've watched about half of it so far. Pretty good overall. The balls of some of the VW executives must be made of titanium.

Edit/Update: Watched the whole thing. No way in hell that I'll buy another VW now, especially after seeing the last 20 minutes of the episode. Pretty disturbing what they wanted to do to some monkeys.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 18:23   #6
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They lost me in this "shockumentary" when they pulled a Godwin* less than five minutes in. This video contributed nothing to my understanding of Dieselgate.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Old January 26th, 2018, 21:37   #7
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Well worth watching but as my vw is a 2003 I'm not really affected , nor do I have a strong opinion on dieselgate. Certainly animal lovers will not like the monkey treatment. Perhaps I'm biased or uninformed, but as someone who worked in the underground mining industry, my colleagues and I were exposed to levels of NOx many times higher than anything in polluted LA or Mexico city ever endured. I think it fair to say the producers of this show have an agenda.
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They lost me in this "shockumentary" when they pulled a Godwin* less than five minutes in. This video contributed nothing to my understanding of Dieselgate.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
I'm quite disappointed in the propaganda in the documentary, but the history is interesting.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 23:11   #9
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Propaganda is a good word. If an unbiased ambivalent member of the public, who had no special interest in vw etc etc, then watched episode 2 of the same series, i suspect that sub-conciously that member of the public would form a very negative view , just based on the implied association between vw and unscrupulous payday lenders.
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Propaganda is a good word. If an unbiased ambivalent member of the public, who had no special interest in vw etc etc, then watched episode 2 of the same series, i suspect that sub-conciously that member of the public would form a very negative view , just based on the implied association between vw and unscrupulous payday lenders.
Propaganda is a neutral concept. In the case of this documentary, the propaganda is opposed to major logic (criteriology), and therefore is extrinsically evil. I appreciate the factual information, but supposed-documentarians need to leave off the editorializing.
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I'm quite disappointed in the propaganda in the documentary, but the history is interesting.
That was the source of my problem with it— I've been following Dieselgate here on TDIClub since the story first broke, and I didn't see a single factual thing in that documentary that I hadn't already learned by reading here and following links various contributors put up.
If I didn't already appreciate TDIClub (which I do) that -by itself- would do it.
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Um...facts or propaganda that VW lied again and again to the regulators to cover up their brazen disregard for our national laws? And all for a few dollars per car, and a few more dollars in holding down warranty payouts. They could have legally solved every challenge presented by the emissions regulations, but in case after case, they chose not to.

The only part of the documentary that bothered me a little was the discussion of city smog. They left the impression that little diesel cars are a big factor in it. (Even there, that is apparently true in Europe, where diesel is much more prevalent.) The claims of premature deaths did not arise from the film, but have been put forward by other organizations. The documentary did not fact check that claim, but that was not their brief.
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Um...facts or propaganda that VW lied again and again to the regulators to cover up their brazen disregard for our national laws? <snip>
No, that was (part) of the factual part. Assuming we both watched the same documentary, maybe you missed the propaganda portions the first time. Don't worry about it, you got (or maybe, like me, you already knew) the important stuff. But the relevant material was all mixed up with things that weren't, and that is a waste of my time.
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I did not watch it and can already guess it's a liberal propaganda piece of crap, just like CARB and the EPA who made regulations that were impossible to meet.
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All the more reason you should watch it and see for yourself.
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