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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old September 30th, 2017, 09:13   #1
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There are a few never sold tdi's sitting in quarantine. Is anybody trying to buy one? What are your respective dealerships saying in regards to models and trims and prices?

The purpose of this thread is to help members establish a base of knowledge in order to negotiate the most reasonable and forseeable puchase price.

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Old September 30th, 2017, 09:41   #2
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As you stated, remaining 2015 and 2016 3.0 cars will not be released for sale until an approved fix is available. Pricing is still undetermined. I have dibs on a 2016 A8L at my dealership, obviously depends on pricing. I'm a buyer at 30% under MSRP.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 10:23   #3
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As you stated, remaining 2015 and 2016 3.0 cars will not be released for sale until an approved fix is available. Pricing is still undetermined. I have dibs on a 2016 A8L at my dealership, obviously depends on pricing. I'm a buyer at 30% under MSRP.
Thats lovely. My name is on an a7 tecknic. If 30% under is the norm then im pleased because its the discount ive been offered.
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 08:48   #4
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I would imagine they will be inline with what was done in the US. $5k off a financed car and $8500 off a leased car. From full MSRP on the cars of course. Availability is dropping for these cars as well, so get them while you can.
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 18:26   #5
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There are a few never sold tdi's sitting in quarantine. Is anybody trying to buy one? What are your respective dealerships saying in regards to models and trims and prices?
The purpose of this thread is to help members establish a base of knowledge in order to negotiate the most reasonable and forseeable puchase price.
I have put a deposit on a 2016 Q5 3.0 TDI. Dealership put 6,500 miles on it but cannot sell it to a customer (me) yet. Claims that it is owned by Audi and not yet released for sale.
Here is my question:
Looking at Autotrader there are well over one hundred 2016 Q5 3.0L TDI's for sale. Most of them new, without any miles. How can those dealers (supposedly) sell them? When there is no 2016 3.0 TDI fix yet...
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They can't, try actually calling one and they'll say it's not available
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 03:41   #7
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I would imagine they will be inline with what was done in the US. $5k off a financed car and $8500 off a leased car. From full MSRP on the cars of course. Availability is dropping for these cars as well, so get them while you can.
Discounts will be greater on the 3.0 cars but percentage-wise similar to that discount I suspect. People who buy 60-90k cars don't care as much about gas mileage and would never buy one of these for less than $20-30000 off.

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They can't, try actually calling one and they'll say it's not available
You are right. I called a dealer in Seattle. They can't sell them (the Q5 3.0 TDI)!
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You are right. I called a dealer in Seattle. They can't sell them (the Q5 3.0 TDI)!
Funny. 3 hours north in Richmond every diesel audi was marketed and sold ($1000 deposit only pending the decision on the fix). I wanted a fully equipped q7. But they were long gone when i walked in the door.
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4  Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) consumption - DEF (also known as AdBlue®) consumption for your vehicle may change. Model Year 2015 vehicles may experience an increase of 40% on average, while Model Year 2016 vehicles may on average experience a decrease. The exact amount of the change will vary depending on driving style and other factors. This means some drivers will need to refill the DEF tank more frequently

The 2016 may experience a decrease of def fluid use by how much? It doesnt read well.

40% less def consumption on average? Or an increase of def usage by less than 40%?

What is the difference between the 2015 and 2016 model years?
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Funny. 3 hours north in Richmond every diesel audi was marketed and sold ($1000 deposit only pending the decision on the fix). I wanted a fully equipped q7. But they were long gone when i walked in the door.
Saying they are sold is significantly misleading. There is a big difference between sitting on the lot with a "sold" sticker and actually driving off the lot.

I have no idea if they are available yet for delivery or not.
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Saying they are sold is significantly misleading. There is a big difference between sitting on the lot with a "sold" sticker and actually driving off the lot.
I have no idea if they are available yet for delivery or not.
Not available. Not sold either. You do have a point. But the dealership tells me all their 2016 tdi’s have deposits on them.

I do have to admit all the other dealerships in my city did not go that route. Richmond Audi did.
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I have a deposit on a 2016 Black on Black Touareg Lux here in the Northern Virginia area. Dealer has no clue as to when they will be released for sale....

Price wise, I have no idea how they will price this car, and I'm only likely to pull the trigger if I can get a great deal....though demand is high, which may not work in my favor. I called a few dealers and most have 2-3 deposits on each car they have on the lot...thats right, multiple deposits on a car so its a wait list.

2017 Touareg Wolfsburg Edition are going for just about $10K off MSRP in my area, so in the mid $40K's....which from a features and specs perspective its pretty close to the Lux trim if I read the specs right. So I would guess that at a minimum, they would offer same discount on TDI Lux ($10K off 2016 $60K MRSP sticker), but that does not take into account thats its a year older car (2016 vs 2017)...at $50K, I'm not sure I'm a buyer.....
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The government probably won't let VW/Audi start selling the buy back portion or any 2016 models (if any), until a very big percentage of on road TDIs are either bought back or emission fixed. We are probably looking beyond late 2018 to early 2019. Really, by that time, more EV, more plug-in models, perhaps even improved ICE cars with 48V system would be available making TDI a less competitive product.
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The government probably won't let VW/Audi start selling the buy back portion or any 2016 models (if any), until a very big percentage of on road TDIs are either bought back or emission fixed. We are probably looking beyond late 2018 to early 2019. Really, by that time, more EV, more plug-in models, perhaps even improved ICE cars with 48V system would be available making TDI a less competitive product.
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