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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old September 15th, 2017, 08:41   #46
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EGR flow vs EGR cooling are two different issues, please mind what you are reporting.

One issue is the actual exhaust flow back to the engine, the other is the cooling of that gas. As of right now it appears VW doesn't consider the cooling system of that exhaust to be covered under the extended warranty.

Keep your receipts, VW has a history of back dating warranty extensions, if you had it performed by a dealer there may be a good chance of getting your money back.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 09:28   #47
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EGR flow vs EGR cooling are two different issues, please mind what you are reporting.

One issue is the actual exhaust flow back to the engine, the other is the cooling of that gas. As of right now it appears VW doesn't consider the cooling system of that exhaust to be covered under the extended warranty.

Keep your receipts, VW has a history of back dating warranty extensions, if you had it performed by a dealer there may be a good chance of getting your money back.
Thanks for the distinction. I hope I can talk to the mechanic when I get there. This will help me.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 14:18   #48
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The gen.1 warranty booklet explicitly states that the EGR cooler is included
(copied directly from the pdf file, linked to in post 39 in this thread):
" Parts Covered Under Extended Warranty
  • The entire exhaust gas after treatment system, including the Diesel Oxidation Catalytic converter (DOC), the NOx Reduction Catalytic Converter, the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), the exhaust flap, and all sensors and actuators;
  • The entire fuel system, including fuel pumps, high pressure fuel rail, fuel injectors, vibration damper, pressure control valve, and all sensors and actuators;
  • The EGR system, including EGR valves, EGR cooler, EGR filter, EGR temperature sensor, all related hoses and pipes, and all sensors and actuators;
  • The air intake pipe and charge air cooler, charge air temperature sensor and air mass sensor (HFM);
  • The turbocharger, including the turbocharger damper;
  • The glow plug;
  • The On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) system, any malfunctions detected by the On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) system other than those related to the transmission
    Additionally, the engine long block warranty shall cover the engine sub-assembly that consists of the assembled block, crankshaft, cylinder head, camshaft, and valve train.
    The extended emissions warranty includes parts, labor, and applicable taxes. If the warranty service is scheduled to take longer than three hours VW must provide a loaner vehicle. The extended emissions warranty shall not void or supersede any existing warranty. Conflicts concerning the warranty are to be resolved in favor of the consumer.



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Jbright, in a later post (#45) you say they replaced the 'heater core'. 'Heater core' usually means the passenger cabin water-to-air heat exchanger. But regardless of what they replaced, the catch-all phrase above 'any malfunctions detected by the On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) system other than those related to the transmission' should cover the heater core, if it was replaced to fix a malfunction detected by OBD that is not related to the transmission.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 17:24   #49
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But it doesn't cover the heater core. N2UABTDI's post covers the relationship between heater core and egr cooling in great detail.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 17:40   #50
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Is the heater core part of the transmission in your car? I think the warranty reads pretty clear.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 17:59   #51
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Jbright, in a later post (#45) you say they replaced the 'heater core'. 'Heater core' usually means the passenger cabin water-to-air heat exchanger. But regardless of what they replaced, the catch-all phrase above 'any malfunctions detected by the On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) system other than those related to the transmission' should cover the heater core, if it was replaced to fix a malfunction detected by OBD that is not related to the transmission.
The service rep said the code was a 0247 (coolant reduced to EGR). They replaced the "Heatercore", 1KO-819-031-D. Total cost of $1112.79.

I did not get a chance to talk to the mechanic. I told the rep I would be contacting VW to see if they would cover this. It would seem from the wording of the warranty that it should be covered, but I also read through N2UABTDI's post.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 18:01   #52
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The car drove great coming home from work, by the way. I noticed nothing different from before the 'fix'.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 18:27   #53
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@jbright, was the total cost of $1112.79 covered under the emissions fix warranty? Sorry if I'm missing something here.

I'm in agreement with Diesl, it seems pretty clear it should be covered. It is an EGR associated issue according to the error code, and most certainly not the transmission.

I have the exact same issue as you, completed the fix this past Monday, error code thursday, back to the dealer on Friday. Dealer gave me this ballpark dollar amount today for the replacement of my heatercore, but they said it wouldn't be covered.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 18:32   #54
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@jbright, was the total cost of $1112.79 covered under the emissions fix warranty? Sorry if I'm missing something here.

I'm in agreement with Diesl, it seems pretty clear it should be covered. It is an EGR associated issue according to the error code, and most certainly not the transmission.

I have the exact same issue as you, completed the fix this past Monday, error code thursday, back to the dealer on Friday. Dealer gave me this ballpark dollar amount today for the replacement of my heatercore, but they said it wouldn't be covered.
They did not cover it. Very interesting that you have the same problem. . . . . . .
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Old September 15th, 2017, 21:36   #55
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Hi all,

Just to report...I went ahead and had the fix done Thursday 9/14... and drove the car today.

Noticed pretty much what SnowyRoad and StayPuff noticed...slightly louder, slightly more diesel-y truck engine soundish...and slight slight delay in startup...but is gone and torques right up right away...and then no difference...

Did notice slightly louder/different noise, yet with my back turned, my ears told me that was my car being pulled up.

Driving-wise, have to say I was prepared for a weaker car and driving experience, and even having to use the S mode to equal the old D mode.

So far, did notice less torque at startup, as others have said...but to me it is quickly overcome by just a bit more gas, which is how I normally drove before, and it immediately torques right up, same as before.

So, I am not saying I am feeding it more gas than before, I am saying in my spirited driving, the car torques up same as always, and does throw me back in seat, same as before except perhaps 1/2 second slower before it kicks up/torques up and accelerates...

So, I'm happy so far, and would say 97-98% the same. And I drove off dealership, onto city driving, traffic and traffic lights, then highway and drove it hard...passed everybody on freeway, had plenty of opps for stepping on the gas pedal....and it flew like always.....so...again, so far, pleased, and glad I was prepared for worse...and got better...

Just hope no codes in future.....will report back.....

Anyone else had fix?? How is driving compared to before?

And @mpriolo,
No SW issues. My service rep was awesome and pretested the SW flash before fix, while I was yet dropping car off...all was well.... ;-) may be just lucky with my 09...he did tell me about that difficulty, and waiting on VW to find a workaround...but I was fortunate...
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Old September 16th, 2017, 08:02   #56
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Posted this in another part of the Club:

Put on about 525 miles since having the fix done. One 200 mile road trip in So Cal traffic to San Diego and back to L.A., then just the usual commutes to work. 2013 Golf 6MT. No glitches in the work done, in and out in a day.

Only significant change I see so far is a MPG drop from my usual 43-45 down to 41 this time. I've got another road trip to Utah starting today, so that'll give me a better idea if that's the new normal or the car is just relearning my driving habits. Slightly slower start-up (second or two), and maybe a little more noise, but not significant inside.

You can see my Fuelly stat in the signature. That's every fuel-up I've had since owning the car. It was 44.1 prior to the latest.
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Old September 16th, 2017, 14:08   #57
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Got mine back after fix yesterday. I don't really notice any difference in how the car drives. It sounds slightly louder, but nothing really noticeable.
I will report back if anything changes. I haven't driven enough to know fuel economy yet.
By the way mine is a Manual Transmission.
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Old September 16th, 2017, 15:00   #58
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mdl3r1 - glad your tdi was able to get through the entire fix procedure. We believe that only 09's built early in the model year are affected. Can you please post the build date of your 09? I have seen some other 09's get through the fix with a build date of 11/08. Mine was built in 7/08. If only a percentage of 09's are affected, I doubt VW is putting their best and brightest on solving the issue.

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Old September 17th, 2017, 05:21   #59
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Just curious if anyone knows, if you choose to have the fix done, and don't like how the car is after, can you still sell it back to VW? Obviously VW would subtract the money already paid, but can you still go through the buyback?

I tried looking but didn't see any definite answers.

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Taking mine in tomorrow (2010 TDI Jetta Wagon automatic, 91,000 miles). Will report back; have several 4 hr drives coming up the rest of the week; hope that I'm not doing them in the loaner).
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