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Old November 23rd, 2016, 16:13   #16
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It's going to be interesting to see the values of pre-common rail cars in coming days.
I wonder if it's the same thing in Canada, 'no more VW diesels'.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 17:16   #17
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Wow, I just got this from my son on VW pulling out of US market on diesels.

My first though was the re sale value of these lower mileage diesels just increased a minimum of 15%.
Anyone who is a die hard diesel fan and in the market for a reasonably priced commuter car has very few options .
Admittedly BMW are in the market along with MB, but that market shuts out a number of entry level deplorable's... myself included :-)

Audi have the A3 platform . Basically a VW . Not sure if they were impacted.

I sold my converted 5 speed Passat last year at 285k miles and switched to MB.

Got a deal on low mileage 2008 V6 Bluetec for wifey and I commute in a 1998 e300 Turbodiesel.

Anyways too bad this transpired. I'm not going to get into pissing match on emmissions but the newer diesels in Europe are getting 60 plus MPG.
Admittedly that's the imperial gallon slightly bigger.

Takeaway ..... your diesel VW just got more valuable.
My two pennies.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 18:16   #18
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Sad news. We've lost the best cars VW produced due to unrealistic demands by our government.
I beg to differ: Other car makers are able to meet the legal emission requirements in the U.S. VW's problem is they got caught breaking the law and are now covered with TAR. So they are trying to run away from their problem and claim a "new" Clean image.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 18:22   #19
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If other car makers are able to meet the legal emission requirements as you claim why did they suddenly decide to exit the US market?

If their cars met standards and VW diesels were removed from the market BMW and MB should have been able to expand their diesel sales significantly.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 18:33   #20
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Heres to keeping mine on the road for the next couple decades.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 20:04   #21
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If other car makers are able to meet the legal emission requirements as you claim why did they suddenly decide to exit the US market?

If their cars met standards and VW diesels were removed from the market BMW and MB should have been able to expand their diesel sales significantly.
Except you can't touch a new BMW diesel south of $40,000, a price you could nearly get 2 VW diesels for, and you can't even get a MB anymore, but they were north of 40-50k as well when they were here.

You could get a 25k cruze, and it felt every bit of the 10k car it was.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 21:46   #22
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Perhaps it will result in one of the Japanese manufactures to import or build their diesels in the USA. But, given what the US government did to VW, I doubt it.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 22:24   #23
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Perhaps it will result in one of the Japanese manufactures to import or build their diesels in the USA. But, given what the US government did to VW, I doubt it.
You mean what VW did to themselves.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 22:29   #24
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Old November 24th, 2016, 03:56   #25
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Except you can't touch a new BMW diesel south of $40,000, a price you could nearly get 2 VW diesels for, and you can't even get a MB anymore, but they were north of 40-50k as well when they were here.

You could get a 25k cruze, and it felt every bit of the 10k car it was.
No argument from me here. MB's and BMW's prices are not for everyone and their routine maintenance expenses are legendary.

Agree also with the value of a Cruze.

The VW TDI was everyman's turbo diesel automobile. It's the "people's car" to quote the infamous German dictator.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 03:59   #26
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Perhaps it will result in one of the Japanese manufactures to import or build their diesels in the USA. But, given what the US government did to VW, I doubt it.
Yes, no question about it. But VW's TDIs got in the way of our soon to be departed "leader's" preference for electric golf carts.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 04:15   #27
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VW diesels will soon be relegated to the dust bin of history. As I presume this place will be too.

If this board didn't go out of its way to limit talk and sharing of info on the biggest thing ever about VW and diesels - diesel gate and what VW was doing about it, it sure looked that way.

As someone who bought his first VW diesel in 1982 and has one sitting out front today, I hate losing what was a pretty good vehicle. But, when you intentionally cheat govt regs and get caught, its gonna cost you. I said the day the story broke "that's it for VW diesels in this country." And it was.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 06:44   #28
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Drove mazda diesel in Germany. They are a disappointment. The 2.2 had a very flat power curve and horrible drive. Wouldn't hold my breath
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Heres to keeping mine on the road for the next couple decades.
I second that. I figure I easily have another 300K miles available to me on my two ALHs. And another 100K in the B4 if I want. And then there's the Mercedes, which if I don't let it rust will probably outlast all of them.

I had a Rabbit Diesel back in the late 70s when no one knew what a small diesel car was. May be back in that world again in a few years.
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So has VW announced a strategy for dealing with the 12,000 unsold units sitting on dealer lots? A sophisticated fix needed to get through CARB regulations appears unlikely. Will VW ship them to China or Bolivia or perhaps roll them off a cliff?
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