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November 24th, 2016, 06:04
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Volkswagen Canada kills diesel for 2017 model year
Volkswagen Canada kills diesel for 2017 model year
Volkswagen Canada will not sell diesel vehicles for the 2017 model year, a company spokesman said late Wednesday.
Thomas Tetzlaff of Volkswagen told Automotive News Canada the decision is a direct result of the company’s admission to equipping diesel vehicles with software designed to cheat emissions tests.
Volkswagen sold about 100,000 affected vehicles in Canada from model years 2009-2016. A full list is on its website.
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November 24th, 2016, 06:07
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Only 100,000 cars from '09-16? I would have thought more.
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Kid's cars: 2002 Golf TDI, 2002 Jetta TDI
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November 24th, 2016, 06:22
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Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada
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It's double the US market share.
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formerly ... 2006 Jetta TDI 5-sp, Spice Red, Unitronics stage 1, 0.681 5th gear.
and before that ... 1996 Passat TDI, Silk Blue
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November 24th, 2016, 06:25
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: South of Boston
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Of VWs? That's what I thought was the case in Canada. I guess if you have 10% of the people and sell 20% as many cars, that's not bad.
I'm surprised there was even any question about selling '17s in Canada. That went by the boards here a while ago.
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Kid's cars: 2002 Golf TDI, 2002 Jetta TDI
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November 25th, 2016, 05:35
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Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
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As I posted here in another forum, my statement is looking good. Post Dieselgate our TDI's will be worth a lot more now (resale) that they are not selling new ones....
Dealerships keep emailing me how they want to buy it back and get me in a new model. Not going to happen.
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November 25th, 2016, 08:48
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If they aren't selling them in the USA, then of course they aren't selling them in Canada.
We literally use the very same US EPA emissions limits.
I guess the one difference is if they violate the regulations in Canada, nothing really happens to them. No buybacks or anything really costly. Maybe a small fine. But in practice, they don't risk violating Canadian law without also doing it in the USA. So we're not going to get TDIs in Canada if the USA doesn't also get them.
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Last edited by Mike_04GolfTDI; November 25th, 2016 at 08:51.
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November 25th, 2016, 12:03
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Location: mississauga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProPAL
Dealerships keep emailing me how they want to buy it back and get me in a new model. Not going to happen.
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that's the spirit!!!
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November 26th, 2016, 09:19
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Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by IndigoBlueWagon
Of VWs? That's what I thought was the case in Canada. I guess if you have 10% of the people and sell 20% as many cars, that's not bad.
I'm surprised there was even any question about selling '17s in Canada. That went by the boards here a while ago.
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Here are the stats for US vs CAN VW TDI sales:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread...26#post5110626
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November 26th, 2016, 11:13
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Location: Abbotsford, BC.
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Originally Posted by Mike_04GolfTDI
If they aren't selling them in the USA, then of course they aren't selling them in Canada.
We literally use the very same US EPA emissions limits.
I guess the one difference is if they violate the regulations in Canada, nothing really happens to them. No buybacks or anything really costly. Maybe a small fine. But in practice, they don't risk violating Canadian law without also doing it in the USA. So we're not going to get TDIs in Canada if the USA doesn't also get them.
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Not sure about that, Canada has its own reg's. Stuff is allowed here that you can't have in the US and vice versa. Guess we'll see in the long run.
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2004 GSW TDI, blue, 5 speed-DD-Malone stage 2, no kitty, aeroturbine muffler, PD150's.
2003 JSW 1.8T, silver-parting out. 2006 JSW, TDI 5 speed, blue.
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November 26th, 2016, 14:01
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: South of Boston
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Originally Posted by turbovan+tdi
Not sure about that, Canada has its own reg's. Stuff is allowed here that you can't have in the US and vice versa.
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Like what?
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Kid's cars: 2002 Golf TDI, 2002 Jetta TDI
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November 26th, 2016, 15:09
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Higher taxes?
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Crosby County, TX
2016 Audi Q5 TDI
2009 VW JSW TDI (awaiting buy back)
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November 26th, 2016, 15:23
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Canada has an "environmental policy" (set of do good initiatives and statements) that covers the country in general.
http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca....aspx?lang=eng
Each provincial government has written rules for air, water, waste management, etc. Some provinces have more stringent environmental rules than others (Alberta is pretty tough and mirrors US EPA rule making).
It's kind of a mess as there is no strong governmental rule-making agency like US EPA which has written laws like the Clean Air Act, RCRA, The Clean Water Act, etc. that are required to be the framework for all US states.
I don't recall any rules in Canada that would be more restrictive than what we deal with in the states.
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November 26th, 2016, 15:56
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Originally Posted by turbovan+tdi
Not sure about that, Canada has its own reg's. Stuff is allowed here that you can't have in the US and vice versa. Guess we'll see in the long run.
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Yeah, Canada's regs say to go look at the EPA regs.
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Vehicles or Engines Covered by an EPA Certificate
19 (1) Every vehicle or engine of a specific model year that is covered by an EPA certificate and bears the U.S. emission control information label referred to in paragraph 35(1)(d) may, if the company so chooses, conform to, instead of the standards set out in sections 11 to 17, the certification and in-use standards referred to in the EPA certificate.
(2) For the purposes of subsection 153(3) of the Act, the provisions of the CFR that are applicable to a vehicle or engine referred to in subsection (1) pursuant to the EPA certificate correspond to the certification and in-use standards referred to in subsection (1).
(3) For the purposes of subsection 153(3) of the Act, the EPA is the prescribed agency.
SOR/2015-186, s. 18.
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Vehicles Equivalent to Vehicles Covered by an EPA Certificate
19.1 (1) A vehicle of a specific model year that is not covered by an EPA certificate may be considered equivalent to a vehicle that is covered by an EPA certificate if a company submits the evidence of conformity referred to in section 35.1 in respect of that vehicle instead of the evidence of conformity referred to in section 36.
(2) The equivalency of a vehicle is determined by the Minister on the basis of the evidence of conformity referred to in section 35.1.
(3) Every vehicle of a specific model year that is determined to be equivalent to a vehicle covered by an EPA certificate and that is sold in Canada during the period for which that EPA certificate is valid in the United States shall conform to, instead of the standards set out in sections 11 to 17, the certification and in-use standards referred to in that EPA certificate.
SOR/2013-8, s. 9; SOR/2015-186, s. 19.
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November 26th, 2016, 18:28
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Oregon, WI
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Originally Posted by GoFaster
It's double the US market share.
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Percentage wise? Not even close in actual numbers.
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November 27th, 2016, 01:19
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Originally Posted by jasonTDI
Percentage wise? Not even close in actual numbers.
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Yes, market share as a percentage of actual national sales. You're right, actual Canadian sales numbers wouldn't even come close to the USA. There are more cars sold in the state of California annually than there are in ALL of Canada annually. (There's more people in California than there is in all of Canada as well...and they have more money to buy more cars...lol).
I believe we have more VW's on the road in Canada per capita, but that's it.
We do get some oddball car/motorcycle models,etc in Canada once in a while that are not offered in the US, but they have nothing to do with emissions...it's typically just a marketing decision.
There's a hundred or so of the quarantined 2015-2016 TDI cars in a fenced lot around the corner my my office, and when I drove by on Friday I saw the hoods were up on all of them. Must have been giving them their monthly start-up or whatever it is they do. I thought it was already a known fact that there weren't going to be any 2017 TDI models.
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