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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 20:15   #61
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Speaking of the gov't, I wonder if we'll get a tax bill for any of this...
No. Not taxable unless you used it for business and wrote off the purchase price.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 20:20   #62
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Okay,

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Why would you get a tax bill? It's not income. There's no "gain" or interest. You're just being made whole. Only if there were " punitive" damages would there be tax consequences.
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No. Not taxable unless you used it for business and wrote off the purchase price.
Thanks for the notes. I recall the Goodwill Packages being non-taxable because they were considered "rebates." I wasn't sure how this would play out in the tax world.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 20:23   #63
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So here's my situation:
2011 JSW 6MT w/ estimated 53K by September.
Purchased for $20,340 Out the door in March '15 <<<Overpaid for the only 6MT CPO Mint-condition available for 300 miles>>>
Base Plus Features buyback is (Worksheet 1A):
$19,097 - $840 MT + $600 Pano Roof = $18857
If I drive it like usual to just work, I'd likely fall into the $2,070 mileage bracket. I'd like to go travel some this summer and fall, so I'm thinking the $1620 or $1,200 range.
So:
$20,057-$20,477 Mileage adjusted PLUS the $1,000 goodwill package puts me slightly ahead with no major loss except the $500 40k service. I guess I kinda just drove the car for 18 months for just the price of gas.

I'm in no way jumping for joy like some 1st gen owners. I paid the high input cost because it was the only CPO JSW w/ 6MT I could find for almost 3 months in a 300-mile radius. The dealership knew I wanted it bad and just wouldn't come down.

If the buyback numbers don't increase a bit before finalizing, I'll opt out or take the fix that never happens. I'd opt out before taking the fix. IF the fix incentive was paid out BEFORE the fix, I'd take it. At least if I do wreck it, the lost value/depreciation would be taken care of already.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 20:36   #64
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2014 6MT Jetta base $23837
-$870 for no auto
+$420 for Fender audio
+$660 for sun roof
-$1950 for mileage
buy back $22097

Fix $6462 base
-$145 no auto
+$70 for Fender audio
+$110 for sun roof
-$325 for mileage
fix price of $6275
No idea what I'm going to do
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Old June 28th, 2016, 20:53   #65
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If you remember the 2011 MSRP dropped something like $2500 from the '10 model. Making that discrepancy look even more mystifying.
Yeah it really makes no sense. 2011 was the year they decontented the cars (at least the Jetta) and went with cheaper suspension, etc.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 21:07   #66
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Year/Model: 2013 Passat TDI SEL
Options:none
Mileage: 70,300 as of now
Region: California
Buyback restitution from attachment 1A
Base buyback: $26,927

Total unadjusted buyback: $26,927

Mileage adjustment from attachment 2A
Projected mileage at buyback: 77,000 in oct. 2016
Months since Sept 2015 (assume buyback in October 2016): 13
Months X 1,042: 13,546
Adjusted mileage (77,000-13,546): 63,454
Buyback mileage adjustment: -$2,100
Total buyback amount $24,827

Here is where it gets even better, I read somewhere that we have until oct, 2018 to make a decision so waiting until oct, 2018 and driving an extra up to 47k miles costs me a whopping $2,520 extra still netting me $22,307 for a 5 1/2 year old car with up to 124,176 miles on
it!

This one is even better, My brother-in-law bought a used 2012 passat tdi sel is august of 2014 for 15k, it had 94k miles on it but he only drives about 6 or 7k a year so now it has approx. 105k miles on it, assuming no more than 108k this oct. he would get $20,057
but if he waits until oct. 2018 then because he drives less than the allowed amount he would get an extra $370! or $20,427 assuming his total mileage is less than 119,175 at that time.

So he will pay for fuel, oil changes, the new tires he put on and cover his insurance to drive the car for 50 months, WOW! what a deal!

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Old June 28th, 2016, 21:08   #67
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2013 6MT 4DR Golf Fully Loaded ~50k miles

+21,377 - Base
+330 - Audio
+600 - Sunroof
+600 - Navi
-720 - Millage
Buy Back: $23627

+6,052 - Base
+55 - Audio
+100 - Sunroof
+110 - Navi
-120 - Millage
Fix: $6197

getting kinda screwed with my Technology Package, nothing for the headlamps and kessy.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 21:50   #68
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2013 AT 2 door Golf
20,717- Base
330 - Audio
600 - Sunroof
660 - Navigation
780 - Auto transmission
$23087
1950 low miles
$25037 approximate dollars
Plus the $1000 received and spent
Cost about $1200 for three years of driving!
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Old June 28th, 2016, 22:07   #69
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OK - 2013 Jetta TDI Premium w/DSG & Fender audio & sunroof - location is Washington State - 19200 miles --- and counting.

Base model Jetta buyback = $21737 + Fender Audio $420 + sunroof $660 = $22817
Miles adjust (19200-) = $3090

So $3090+22817=$25907 for buyback. That is just over $1k more than I paid for the car with tax & license. I paid $24974.

Did I do this right? I think I did.

How many cars give you money back when you sell it?

I'm all in for the buyback - cut me a check or show me a good reason to stay with the brand - and it better be a good deal - no - a great deal.

With all the crap that hangs off these motors I'm ready for something a bit less complicated and a lot less expensive to fix when something gives it up.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 22:43   #70
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My numbers:

2009 Jetta Sportwagen with 96,000 miles (probably a little over 100k by October)

Base value $13,877
No DSG -$600
Pano roof +$600
(why is there no option adjustment for rear airbags?)
Total $13,877

Mileage deduction = $0

Total buyback amount = $13,877

Today's KBB value (private sale, Very Good condition) = $7426

If they are willing to pay me almost twice what KBB says it is worth, I guess VW can buy back my car. A 2009 is probably impossible to fix for a reasonable amount of money. I sure hope there are some new TDIs available by the time this happens. We shall see what we shall see.

Have Fun!

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P.S. I wonder if the car has to be running for a full buyback. I am tempted to remove my 2micron fuel mods before giving up the car, but I might have to tow it to the dealer if I do this.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 22:51   #71
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P.S. I wonder if the car has to be running for a full buyback. I am tempted to remove my 2micron fuel mods before giving up the car, but I might have to tow it to the dealer if I do this.
has to be operational, I am sure you'll find people to swap any components you need to make it running
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Old June 28th, 2016, 23:12   #72
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Model: 2010 2dr MT Golf TDI
Region: NE

Base buyback: $14,927

Options: power sunroof
Option adjustment: +$480

Current mileage: ~74500 (averaging ~5000/year or ~400/mo for the last 2+ years)
Adjusted mileage (assuming I sell it back in Nov 2016): 74500 + (400 x 4) - (15 x 1042) = 60,470
Estimated mileage adjustment: +$660

Estimated total adjusted buyback amount: 14,927 + 480 + 660 = $16,067

I bought the car early May in 2014 for $17999 (including fees, no tax in NH). Has been a flawless car ever since I bought it. Still love it. If I add in the $1000 I got last Nov, I basically paid $932 to drive the car for 2+ years.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 23:58   #73
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Two TDIs in the fleet, which we'll most likely end up keeping. I could see myself jumping to a GTI if the price were right, though. Hope the numbers are a good reference.

2011 JSW TDI DSG
60,120 miles, CPO, purchased in 2013. Just had the 60K service covered by the dealer cards.

Buyback:
$19,067 base, Desert SW
+ $600 sunroof
+ $840 mileage adjusted to June
or
+ $1,200 mileage adjusted to October

June base mileage: 60,120. 1,042 x 9 = 9,378. 60,120 - 9,378 = 50,742 adjusted, eligible for the 50,001-55K bracket, + $840.
October base mileage: +~500 miles/mo = 62,120. 1,042 x 13 = 13,546. 62,120 - 13,546 = 48,574 adjusted, eligible for the 45,001-50K bracket, + $1,200.
Buyback Total: $20,507 in June, $20,867 in October.

Mod:
$5,667 base
+ $600 sunroof
+ $75 mileage adjusted to June
or
+ $200 adjusted to October

Total: $6,342 in June, $6,467 in October.

2015 Jetta TDI SEL DSG
10,000 miles, standard lighting package, purchased new in July 2015.

Buyback:
$28,006 base, Desert SW
+ $1,140 mileage adjusted to June and October

June base mileage, 10,000. 1,042 x 9 = 9,378. 10,000 - 9,378 = 622 adjusted.
October base mileage +~700 miles/mo = 12,800. 1,042 x 13 = 13,546. 12,800 - 13,546 = -746 (0 adjusted)
0-5,000 mile bracket is eligible for $1,140.

Buyback Total: $29,146

Mod:
$7,157 base
+ $190 mileage adjusted to June and October

Mod Total: $7,347
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Old June 29th, 2016, 03:43   #74
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2014 Jetta - Midwest
Buy Back amount from table (Attachment 1-A)
2013 Jetta (Midwest) $23,747
No power tran; -900
Power Seat; +360
$22,747


Not a bad deal, but not great either considering I still need a car and won't have a trade in. I am honestly on the fence, would definitely jump on it if the used private party value.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 04:24   #75
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My wife has a 2014 JSW with 30,150 miles

The value currently it is

27,647 for the buyback value
-900 Manual Transmission
$26,747

The mile adjustment for July is 10 months so deduct 10 x 1042 or

30,150 current odometer
-10,420 adjustment
19,730 miles which barely qualifies for $960 mileage credit

The adjusted buyback value is $27,707 for a car we paid $27,200 OTD.

If she does sell her car back it will likely be towards the May 2018 deadline. She is currently averaging 17,000 miles per year, so likely the mileage credit will be $510 if we sell the car back to VW, which is basically a break even point. We spent about $500 on a trailer hitch and wiring. I also bought a set of snow tires for $750. With $1000 Goodwill package it will cost us $250 for 3 1/2 years and ~55,000 miles of ownership. This will be the cheapest car I will probably ever own.

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