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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:03   #31
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I think that is correct. I have a 2015 Golf TSI SE. They have just one base number for the turn in or fix and don't have the adjustments for xenon headlamps but the numbers seem reasonable.

Mine looks to be $27k for turn in or $7k for fix. I have not figured out which I will do but the net effect of the turn in is about $0.48 per mile. I figure I turned in a car worth $1500 and paid $28500 and paid $460 a month for 18 months since Dec. 14. Add in insurance and fuel, and my ~30k miles cost net $14300.

If the car costs me net $23k after the fix money and I use it for six years at 19,000 miles a year, the total is $34,550 for car, fuel and insurance. How much for maintenance and repair? if I add $5000 which is entirely arbitrary, that's $39,550 for 114,000 miles and the cost per mile is $0.347.

So if you love the car and are ok with assuming 40 mpg and $3 per gallon that is what my math came up with. BTW My insurance is $500 per year.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:14   #32
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2009 Jetta in the Midwest
122,000 current miles
12437
+540 for sunroof
12,977 -900 for milage

payout 12,077 (I think)
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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:23   #33
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2009 Jetta TDI DSG
current mileage 138,000
$12,677
+ 540 Sunroof
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$13,217 Buyback
minus Buyback adjustment (10 month calculation 138,000 minus 10,420=127,580 miles)
equals
- $1770 mileage penalty (amount on table/chart)
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So, $13,217 minus $1770 equals $11,447
$11,447 BUYBACK AMOUNT
If I wait up to 2 years for the fix, it gets me $4692 minus $295 for mileage penalty equals
$4397 (still no fix in sight for Gen 1s)
That's rolling the dice on an HPFP, TURBO or another DPF
for God's sake I just spent $2500 last August for a new DPF, how lucky do I feel to wait 2 years and not take a $11,447 check ASAP ?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:37   #34
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2009 Jetta Sedan (w/ DSG)
184K miles
Estimated buyback: $9,800

The lovely state of NC appraised my car last year at $8,520 for tax purposes.

The ONLY way I will buy another VW at this point is if they (VW dealer) made me a phenomenal deal on a new vehicle. Otherwise, I'll take my check and walk. (literally)
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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:43   #35
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Originally Posted by 2015golfwagon View Post
I have a 2015 VW Golf SEL Wagon, it looks to be around a $28500 value, question besides the reduction in price due to driving more (the car currently has 15K on it) does it make sense to hold the car until the just before May 2018 deadline. It looks to me it will still have the $28.5 K less the extra miles I'd drive over the next couple of years. $28.5K is only 1500 less than I payed for it new a year ago. If this is true I might as well just keep driving it to the deadline before turning it in. I only drive around 10K miles a year.
If it gets totalled, you are out of the buyback..
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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:46   #36
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2009 Jetta Sedan Manual tranny
161K miles
California

$12527 from first table of value
- $ 2520 on mileage using the Oct figure for deduction

= $10,007 buyback amount

If the $5100 (min) is included in the amount above, VW is essentially buying mine for $4907.
Mine is sitting in the garage until buyback.


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Old June 28th, 2016, 17:59   #37
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2014 JSW MT
46K miles
Wisconsin

$27587 from first table
-$900 for MT
-$750 for mileage adjustment
= $25937 I'm happy if it really happens! I'd like an emission compliant GSW TDI to replace it, wonder if they'll ever start producing them again. Who cares if it uses a little more DEF.

I was curious how the numbers would look if I continued accumulating miles on my two year old car at the same rate. The only thing that would change is the mileage adjustment with 69K miles instead of 46K miles. The adjustment only goes up $810 to $1560. So it seems to me no reason to rush into it, since only $810 of depreciation for another year and 23,000 miles isn't a bad deal. Maybe that's enough time for the GSW TDI to come back.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:05   #38
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So, here's what I'm coming out with:

2013 Jetta Sportwagen TDI SEL - 39,600 miles as of today

Buyback: $24,257
Power Seat: $330.00
Fender: $420.00
Sunroof: $660.00
Nav: $720.00
Mileage Adjustment: $1080 (if I keep driving until November, could be more if I park it now)

Total: $27,467.00
+ $1000.00 Good Will cash

Grand Total Back: $28,467.00

Price Paid: $29,300 (OTD, including tax, title, reg).

Total Cost of Ownership for 39 months (by October): $833.00, or $21.46 per month.

But wait, there's more. I financed the entire amount on a 0.0% VW loan. Figure 1.5% inflation per year, and, well, basically, this was a free car.

I argued on this forum that a price paid buyback was a likely outcome. That didn't happen, at least not officially. But for some, like me, it essentially did. And if I where to park this car for a year or 18 months, I would be making money on the mileage adjustment.

One thing's for sure, this will be the best deal I'll ever get on a car in my lifetime.

Anyway, THANK YOU VW FOR DEFRAUDING ME!

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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:08   #39
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I'm coming up with a buyback total that is really close to what I paid for the car including tax and license. Please let me know if I am in error.

I have a 2014 JSW TDI w Sunroof & Nav that I bought and drive in the Pacific NW according to the Region list.

According to:
Buyback and Approved Emissions Modification Restitution
FTC’s Proposed Partial Stipulated Order for Permanent Injunction and Monetary Judgment Attachment 1A (Doc. No. 1607-1) (.pdf, 665 KB)
http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/filelib...der-Att-1A.pdf

$27,647 - 2014 Jetta Sportwagen 4D TDI I4 in Pacific NW
$ 360 - add for power seats
$ 480 - add for Alum Alloy Wheels
$ 690 - add for Power Sunroof in Pacific NW
$ 750 - add for Navigation
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$29,927 Buyback subtotal from Attachment 1A

Next, Step 4 says to check Attachments 2A-2C to see if vehicle is subject to a mileage adjustment.

Attachment 2B - Beetle and Jetta Mileage Adjustment Table
FTC’s Proposed Partial Stipulated Order for Permanent Injunction and Monetary Judgment Attachment 2B (Doc. No. 1607-8) (.pdf, 136 KB)
http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/filelib...achment_2B.pdf

Step 1 - Vehicle's current mileage is 16,700 miles
Step 2 - Figuring from Sept 2015 to July 2016, 1042 X 10 = 10,420
Step 3 - Adjusted Mileage is 16700 - 10420 = 6,280
Step 4 - Lookup for Adjusted Mileage of 6,280 under MY2014 gives Buyback Adjustment of $1,950
Step 5 - Add Buyback Adjustment of $1,950 to Attachment 1A Buyback of $29,927, yielding a Buyback Amount of $31,877
Step 6 - Since Buyback Amount is not less than $5,100, I do no Further Adjustment - correct?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:21   #40
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So I beg the question...what scenario provides a $10,000 above the base value? Per the NYTimes "Volkswagen also owes owners additional compensation of $5,100 to $10,000". http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/bu...ment.html?_r=0
How is that possible?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:22   #41
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2010 Jetta, 60k in October. Manual, no options.

Looks like $12,287.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:23   #42
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2009 Jetta Sedan - currently just over 139K, projecting to be at 141,500-142K in October.

Base: 12,437
+Sunroof: 540
Total Part A: 12,937

Mileage Deduction in October: -$1770

Total Buyback: 11,167

Wildcard: this is the car our older son is taking to college, and we know that his power steering rack needs to be replaced sooner rather than later. It just so happens that I'm laid up from recent surgery, so we're garaging the Jetta and he'll be tooling around in my Tiguan until I'm cleared to drive again in 8 weeks. (And then we'll take it to move him to college, park it unless he has to run around town, and then have him bring it back to trade it in October.)

We'll be getting back more than we paid for it last year. We're sad to let this car go - but it doesn't make much sense for us to keep it - especially with a $1500 repair looming.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:23   #43
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2014 Passat SE DSG 52,000 Miles
$28,007
-$1,440
=$26,567
+$1,000(Goodwill)
=$27,567
Paid $28,800 OTD in July 2014
I have a 2014 SEL Premium and I calculate I'll get approx. $28,450 +$1,000 already from Goodwill = $29,450. Paid about that amount at purchase so I'm letting them buyback. I still like the Passat so I'll likely end up with another new SEL Premium. I'm looking at the Sonata Hybrid too since I love the mileage. But don't know of any other car I would look at currently. That may change with the 2017's come out and I see something new. I may also look at certified Mercedes or BMW diesels.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:33   #44
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2012 Passat TDI SE 6 speed no sunroof 104400 miles original owner
Buyback $19907
Manual trans; -$900
Mileage ; - $3330
Buyback= $15677
Loan payoff; - $10438
Payout =$5239

I put on 40k miles this year. So I'm getting hammered for mileage. If I calculate with 40k less miles I wouldn't take a mileage hit at all and it would be in my acceptable range for a buyback. It may not be a bad deal if you were planning on selling your car but I had no plans to sell for many years. I have other financial obligations now (buying a house) and have refinanced my car so buying another new car isn't an option and I'm not letting them have my well maintained car so I can buy someone else's poorly maintained used trade in car that they didn't change the oil on for the first 18000 miles and flicked their boogers under the seat and spilled coffee inside the center console. And the fix is not an option for me either. I'd burn through the warranty in no time and have already had major issues with the factory emissions system which would require repair before VW would even do their "fix"
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Old June 28th, 2016, 18:54   #45
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Stipulation XIII.I says that if you have elected the fix, you will not be paid until the fix is performed. It's on page 36.

This will keep owners from taking the money and not getting the car fixed which makes sense except that it was not clear that an approved fix was agreed upon. Also, if there is compensation, it needs to be calculated based on present and not future value.

Last there is no mention of performance or mileage. Remember that they are saying the performance and mileage will not be less than 5% off. If not in stipulations, not binding.
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