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Old January 28th, 2018, 15:31   #4156
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Jason and I went to the Tesla store in downtown D.C. yesterday and waiting in line for a chance to sit in the Model 3. The red paint was simply gorgeous and the interior was understated and quite nice. It isn't luxury by any stretch of the imagination, but it's well thought out and pretty comfortable.

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After that, we went to Moore Cadillac in Chantilly, VA and test drove a 2014 Cadillac ELR. It has a gen 1 Chevy Volt drive train and an absolutely fantastic interior. I think the styling is gorgeous, although some don't agree. The new price of an ELR was a staggering $80,000, but used prices have plumeted, with most of them being in the mid-20s. The car had a couple of issues that I've asked their service department to look into. This all started when Jason complained about vehicles with stiff suspension, so I jokingly replied that I was going to get him a Cadillac... and here we are.

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Two nice cars..thanks for the photos? Is Jason interested in the 2014 ELR?
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Old January 28th, 2018, 15:44   #4157
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Two nice cars..thanks for the photos? Is Jason interested in the 2014 ELR?
Yeah he liked it a lot and I did, too. We'll see how things pan out in the coming weeks.
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Old January 28th, 2018, 21:13   #4158
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A client of mine really likes my B250e and made me a surprise offer for it...about $5000 less than I paid. At first, I considered it a pretty solid offer and my car-guy juices started flowing again and I've been shopping around for EV's. Trouble is, 1.5 years, and 19,000 miles later - I still really dig the B250e, and haven't found an EV short of $50K that I like better than what I'm already driving. Would I like more range? Sure. Is it an issue? Not really. As a city car, it's awesome. We have other cars to drive for occasional long trips.

I'm thinking my next EV will be a Chevy Bolt, but who knows. It would have to be the "Premier" trim with leather and all the goodies. In about a year, we should see lease returns priced at around $25K...which is about the max I'm comfortable spending on any car. Thoughts?
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Old January 29th, 2018, 06:40   #4159
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A client of mine really likes my B250e and made me a surprise offer for it...about $5000 less than I paid. At first, I considered it a pretty solid offer and my car-guy juices started flowing again and I've been shopping around for EV's. Trouble is, 1.5 years, and 19,000 miles later - I still really dig the B250e, and haven't found an EV short of $50K that I like better than what I'm already driving. Would I like more range? Sure. Is it an issue? Not really. As a city car, it's awesome. We have other cars to drive for occasional long trips.

I'm thinking my next EV will be a Chevy Bolt, but who knows. It would have to be the "Premier" trim with leather and all the goodies. In about a year, we should see lease returns priced at around $25K...which is about the max I'm comfortable spending on any car. Thoughts?
They Bolt would probably suit your needs very well. If your buddy increased his offer a bit, would that change your mind?

The interior of the Bolt is less comfortable than the B Class, but if you can get past that, I think it has a lot to offer, especially in the range department.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 11:36   #4160
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The interior of the Bolt is less comfortable than the B Class, but if you can get past that, I think it has a lot to offer, especially in the range department.
That's the part I have trouble getting past. The offer he made on the B is reasonable. Aside from range, every used EV in the ~$20-25K range feels like a downgrade. I don't really want to go the PHEV route (Volt, or facsimiles). The 150 EPA miles a the new Leaf SL would suit me fine. Thought I haven't sat in one, it does look like comfortable car. Anyone here drive the new 2018 Leaf?
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Old January 29th, 2018, 12:05   #4161
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That's the part I have trouble getting past. The offer he made on the B is reasonable. Aside from range, every used EV in the ~$20-25K range feels like a downgrade. I don't really want to go the PHEV route (Volt, or facsimiles). The 150 EPA miles a the new Leaf SL would suit me fine. Thought I haven't sat in one, it does look like comfortable car. Anyone here drive the new 2018 Leaf?
The new LEAF is essentially the same as the old LEAF, but with more range and more power. The LEAF is a very comfortable car, with more passenger room than the B class, particularly in the back seat. Driving dynamics are a little boring, but still very good. I would be concerned about battery degradation, as it appears that Nissan has done nothing to address that from the old LEAFs, continuing with no thermal management on the new cars. This might not be as much of an issue in Edmonton.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 12:06   #4162
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From the brief time I spent in the 18 at the auto show, I found the interior of the '12 to be much nicer and with a lot more headroom. I don't fit in the back of the 18, and have trouble seeing out the front as well.

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Old January 29th, 2018, 12:12   #4163
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From the brief time I spent in the 18 at the auto show, I found the interior of the '12 to be much nicer and with a lot more headroom. I don't fit in the back of the 18, and have trouble seeing out the front as well.

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Oh right. I remember you mentioning that the seats seemed to be a little higher up in the new car, which makes sense, given the additional battery size under the floor. I didn't really notice, but I also didn't sit in the back of the new LEAF at the auto show.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 13:03   #4164
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I recall the back being quite a bit tighter myself.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 19:32   #4165
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Picked it up a week ago at a local dealer for my mother. It is a 2012 with just under 50,000 miles, has a 6 month old traction battery, but a dead heater. Paid next to nothing because the Chevrolet dealer didn't want to bring it 75 miles to the nearest Nissan dealer that works on EV's nor did they want to spend the $$.

As always it is interesting to have 2 versions of nearly the same car around. It is actually significantly different than my 2013.

2012 has Aluminum body panels
2012 doesn't limit motor power below 30 mph
2012 came with leveling LED headlights my 2013 had heat globes that I upgraded
2013 has 6.6 kw charger vs 2012 3.3kw charger
2013 has charger up front for extra trunk room.
2013 has heat pump and a resistance heater VS 2012 only has (broken) resistance heater
2013 has electronic charge door open 2012 uses a hood release
2013 shows % charge remaining + Guess O Meter range 2012 only has Guess O Meter range.
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Old January 29th, 2018, 20:10   #4166
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Picked it up a week ago at a local dealer for my mother. It is a 2012 with just under 50,000 miles, has a 6 month old traction battery, but a dead heater. Paid next to nothing because the Chevrolet dealer didn't want to bring it 75 miles to the nearest Nissan dealer that works on EV's nor did they want to spend the $$.
I was at the Chevy dealer I bought the Volt from one day and they had a Tesla S there that was traded in on a Vette. I was told by the sales manager that they wanted Tesla to check it out, but it would be over three weeks before it could be looked at, so they sold it as is for $50,000. It lasted three days on the lot.
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Just curious, how did you search / find that car? I've done searches on several car sales sites using keywords such as "replaced battery" or "new battery" and still had to sift through dozens of cars without finding and old car with a new battery.
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I need to go down and sit in an Ioniq in the next year or so before my fiat lease is up. On paper, it does everything I need. My only initial concern is it seems far to 'gadgetty' compared to the simplicity of the fiat, but the fiat simply won't fit my girls much longer.
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Just curious, how did you search / find that car? I've done searches on several car sales sites using keywords such as "replaced battery" or "new battery" and still had to sift through dozens of cars without finding and old car with a new battery.
I found it by dumb luck.
It had been listed for 2 months and I hadnít even noticed, when I had plugged in LeafSpy I saw that Battery state of health was very high, and the heater was shot. I brought up the heater and they realized I knew more about it than anybody there. I then realized that I know the previous owner and called him.
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Just curious, how did you search / find that car? I've done searches on several car sales sites using keywords such as "replaced battery" or "new battery" and still had to sift through dozens of cars without finding and old car with a new battery.
The best way is to sift through the pictures and look at the battery health meter. A 2012 - 2014 with all 12 capacity bars remaining probably means that it has a new traction battery. However, this is not a guarantee, as sneaky dealers can reset the battery health system with a scan tool and it can take 6 or more months for it to fully calibrate and show the current state of health (our roommate found this out the hard way).
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