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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old September 14th, 2002, 22:27   #1
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Default Flexible Service Interval Retrofit?

So some of our european friends have a sensor at the bottom of the oil pan. This sensor enables instrument clusters that are so equipped to display flexible service interval reminders, much like that of most BMW's. Depending upon oil stress, temperature, etc, it tells us whats going on in the engine. I have a brand new crate motor in my garage right now thats going in tomarrow. I'd like to firgure out how to retrofit this into my car. Since I swapped the european instrument cluster, my car always says "oil sensor workshop" because I don't have this sensor, now I do and I wanna hook it all up. Any help or info is appreciated. Thanks
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Old September 15th, 2002, 00:25   #2
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I know one person who is working on getting the sensor and wiring it up. You must have something programed wrong on your euro cluster to get that message. ALL of the one,s i have installed do not say that.
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Old September 15th, 2002, 06:16   #3
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I know about the instrument cluster deal, I changed it since then, but I know it has the capability because when I first got it it had the error message.
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Old September 15th, 2002, 07:50   #4
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All the A4 instrument clusters can display the service interval. Even the standard cluster installed for North America.

The fourth digit of the cluster code enables/disables this feature. '0' = fixed service interval and no sensor. '1' = flexible service interval with sensor. '2' = fixed service interval with sensor. '3' = no service interval (standard US/Canada).

(edited because I ran out human digits (fingers) counting the numerical digits as is pointed out later in this thread)

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Old September 15th, 2002, 08:01   #5
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Oil pan with hole for using the sensor is 038 103 603 N.
The sensor is 1J0 907 660 B.

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Old September 15th, 2002, 19:42   #6
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Originally posted by MOGolf:
Oil pan with hole for using the sensor is 038 103 603 M.
The sensor is 1J0 907 660 B.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I already have a TDI engine that is not US spec sitting on a stand in my garage with the sensor and pan. I just need to know where to find the pinouts and how to wire the sensor to the ECU or instrument cluster.
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Old September 15th, 2002, 20:09   #7
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Partial answer: The Bentley says instrument cluster green connector pin 18 is the "oil temperature and oil level warning signals".

I seem to recall someone once posting that there is already an unused connector in the wiring harness for it. If I didn't have the steel skid plate on, I'd take a look.
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Old September 15th, 2002, 20:48   #8
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Go to the upgrade section, look up the MFA cluster install and find PTC's post of pin-outs for the cluster. He lists all of them.

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Old September 15th, 2002, 21:07   #9
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2k2 model, Golf/Jetta(Bora) - euro(probably same for US)

32 pin connector, blue:
1 - terminal 15 positive
2 - warning lamp for turn signal, right
3 - ouptut signal 1 from speedo
4 - warning lamp for trailer towing
5 - fuel gauge
6 - airbag
7 - terminal 31, sender earth
8 - coolant temp gauge
9 - terminal 31, earth
10 - oil pressure switch
11 - vacant
12 - warning lamp for alternator, terminal 61
13 - backrest lock warning lamp (certain countries only)
14 - warning lamp for rear fog light
15 - vacant
16 - open tailgate/boot lid warning lamp (CCO)
17 - warning lamp for main beam, terminal 56a
18 - warning lamp for turn signal. left
19 - ABS
20 - dash panel insert illumination, terminal 58b
21 - signal for driver's door open
22 - coolant shortage indicator
23 - terminal 30, positive
24 - terminal 31, earth
25 - self diagnosis/K-wire
26 - parking light right, signal for "lights on" warning buzzer
27 - parking light left, signal for "lights on" warning buzzer
28 - input signal to electronic speedo
29 - warning lamp for brake system
30 - S-contact
31 - Seat-belt warning system
32 - vacant2k2 model, Golf/Jetta (Bora) - euro:

32-pin, green:
1 - vacant
2 - reading coil for immo 1
3 - warning lamp for side lights
4 - data bus (CAN), screening for input signals
5 - W-wire
6 - washer fluid shortage
7 - brake pad wear
8 - vacant
9 - vacant
10 - vacant
11 - signal for vehicle stationary
12 - aircon system cut-off
13 - warning lamp for hand brake
14 - warning lamp for ASR/ESP
15 - vacant
16 - vacant
17 - reading coil for immo 2
18 - oil temp & level warning signals
19 - data bus (CAN), high input signal
20 - data bus (CAN), low input signal
21 - vacant
22 - bonnet switch input signal
23 - MFI call up button, top
24 - MFI call up button, bottom
25 - MFI memory switch - reset
26 - ambient temp input signal
27 - data bus (CAN), high output signal
28 - data bus (CAN), low output signal
29 - vacant
30 - vacant
31 - vacant
32 - vacant

20-pin, red:
1 - vacant
2 - vacant
3 - vacant
4 - vacant
5 - telematic shield earth
6 - vacant
7 - vacant
8 - vacant
9 - vacant
10 - vacant
11 - vacant
12 - radio/navigation - clock
13 - radio/navigation - data
14 - vacant
15 - radio/navigation - enable
16 - vacant
17 - vacant
18 - vacant
19 - vacant
20 - vacant

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Old September 15th, 2002, 21:27   #10
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This is from the 15 page MFA cluster thread...

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Just came across this topic on vortex:
Service Interval Reminder

Basically enable service interval on US/Canada cars:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Finaly after research, I was able to setup service reminder on US spec cluster. I think is very useful futer, no idea why is disabled on US cars. Anybody with VAG-COM can do that, by changing coding in your cluster. This only can work on cars with CAN BUS build from 05.00. for example US Golf cluster coding is 07232 so you have to replace 4-th digit (3 with 0 as for cars with fixed service intervals without oil/temp. sender), after this go to:
1. channel 43 in Instrument Cluster (upper limit for distance to next inspection step size is 1000 km, by default 15000 km=9400 miles)
2. channel 44 is upper limit for time to next inspection in days, step size is 1 day by default 365
3. channel 40 is distance traveled since last inspection, step in 100km (ex. 5200 km= 052)
4. channel 41 is time elapsed since the last inspection, step 1 day
First the channels 43 and 44 must be adapted, because the values of channels 40 and 41 may not be greater than the upper limits of channels 43 and 44. Adaptation must be done using kilometers (1 mile equates to approx. 1.609 km )
To reset service interval go to Instrument Cluster Adaptation channel 2 enter 0 and save.
Service Reminder will display on your cluster (in place of the curent odo display, just fo couple sec.)after certain milleage(usualy 2000 miles or 3200km or time set in channel 43 and 44, as Service in _____ and it will countdown every 100 miles(km), when you turn your ignition ON.
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Yes this will work on euro cars as well, but in euro cars you have couple options, depends if your car is equipd with oil/temp. sender then you have to follow this:
0 is for vehicles with fixed service intervals without oil/temp. sender
1 is for vehicles with flexible service intervals with oil/temp. sender
2 is for vehicles with fixed service intervals with oil/temp. sender
3 is for vehicles without service interval display (USA, Canada)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For testing:
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try this go to channel 40 enter 119 as 11900 km from last inspection, then when you turn you ignition Service in 3200 should appear in place of the odometer just for couple sec. I just forgot to mention cluster is counting mileage in a backgroung, until 2000 miles or 3200 km(dependts of country code) before due date or distance to the next service, and is decreasing this distance on display every 100 miles or km. Starting from 3200 km to 0 so you have time to prepare.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for tdi28 over on vortex. I tried on my Euro cluster and it works.
So I would like to share this information on the topic for a complete reference. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Old September 15th, 2002, 22:27   #11
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Birdman, MOGOLF,

When are you guys gonna try this???

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Old September 16th, 2002, 09:43   #12
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COOL, thanks guys. Anyone have pinouts on the sensor itself? I've searched through that thread to no avail... I'll give hrovje a ring... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] later
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Old September 16th, 2002, 16:25   #13
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Since I haven't seen one (yet) nor do I have the wiring diagram (yet), can you tell us what the color of the wires are? Post a pic? Colors can be clues to the purpose. For example, solid brown is always ground and solid black is always power (except at the battery cables, of course).
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Old September 16th, 2002, 23:26   #14
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Ours Lito, PeterV and any other of the ones i have programed already have the 0 inplace , i think most due because the EURO cluster would not take any other number. Mine went off last week showing reminder in 1900 miles. I turned it off right away I think i can remember to change my oil every 10000 miles without the car telling me to, But have thought about installing the oil senser for the benafits it gives.
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Old September 17th, 2002, 09:20   #15
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You know what Jerry, That's what I like about you... you're willing to help me, even though you don't agree or don't want the same MOD or feature.

I first have to get SH*T from you, a lecture, then the help [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Just like an older brother [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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