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Old February 21st, 2013, 12:44   #16
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Mobil Delvac 1/ESP actually has 67% higher ash than a typical VW 507.00 formulation:
(.4%/.6%)(100%) = 67%

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Sorry to be picky but actually .6/.4 is 50% more so 5-40 FM is not 507.00!!! How soon we forget or are fooled. Toolslick and Bob you better clarify this.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 00:12   #17
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Sorry to be picky but actually .6/.4 is 50% more so 5-40 FM is not 507.00!!! How soon we forget or are fooled. Toolslick and Bob you better clarify this.
Devlac 1 ESP 5w40 is CJ-4, 1% ash
Mobil 1 ESP FM 5w40 is 229.5, 0.6% ash
Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is 507.00, 0.6% ash

(1/0.6) = 1.67
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 04:09   #18
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As shown above 1.67 = 167%, or 67% higher ash for the Mobil Delvac 1/ESP, or any other API/CJ-4 Spec diesel oil. If you were looking at it the other way (.4%/1.0%), you could also say that a VW 507.00 oil has 40% less ash - compared to an API/CJ-4 oil. The two statements convey the same exact data.

(This is why we need more math teachers and fewer lawyers). :-(

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Old February 22nd, 2013, 04:13   #19
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As shown above 1.67 = 167%, or 67% higher ash for the Mobil Delvac 1/ESP, or any other API/CJ-4 Spec diesel oil. If you were looking at it the other way (.4%/1.0%), you could also say that a VW 507.00 oil has 40% less ash - compared to an API/CJ-4 oil. The two statements convey the same exact data.

(This is why we need more math teachers and fewer lawyers). :-(

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+1 on the math and LOL at the parenthetical statement
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 15:51   #20
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Yes, you caught me out. I jumped in to quick thinking you meant 507.00 was .4% ash and 5w-40 FM was .6% and the comparison was between those two oils. But in fact they both are .6%. Never mind you got me on that one. Rub it in.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:07   #21
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Devlac 1 ESP 5w40 is CJ-4, 1% ash
Mobil 1 ESP FM 5w40 is 229.5, 0.6% ash
Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is 507.00, 0.6% ash

(1/0.6) = 1.67

Castrol Edge 5W30 VW 507.00, 0.64% ash


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5-40 FM is not 507.00!!!
YEAH. MB229.51
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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:49   #22
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An older, VW 502.00/505.00 oil can have up to 1.5% ash, although most come in a bit lower.

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An older, VW 502.00/505.00 oil can have up to 1.5% ash, although most come in a bit lower.

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The widely/worldly popular Mobil 1 0w40 is 1.3%
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That's why use M1 ESP 5W40 FM for both VAG Diesel and gas powered cars.
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I just moved into a 2009 Jetta TDI from a 2006 and the Devlac 1 ESP 5w40 was the oil of choice in my 2006 and I had EXCELLENT results with it and extended OCI's. Looks like I'll change it up to the Mobil 1 ESP FM 5w40 and see how that oil holds up.

Bob/TooSlick, can you give a quick "general" mileage folks are running on the CRD Jetta's? I'll search it out if you'd rather not but I think you have a captive audience in this thread that love the feedback and knowledge you possess and share with the club.

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Mileage on the oil? 10K.
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Mileage on the oil? 10K.
Yes, OCI and thanks! I'll miss my 15-18k OCI's but I'll continue having UOA done to make sure everything is in order.

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Well most people are doing the 10k, but some UOAs show that it could go longer. You gotta remember that many CRs are still in warranty so sticking to the factory recommended OCIs is the safe thing to do.
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I just moved into a 2009 Jetta TDI from a 2006 and the Devlac 1 ESP 5w40 was the oil of choice in my 2006 and I had EXCELLENT results with it and extended OCI's. Looks like I'll change it up to the Mobil 1 ESP FM 5w40 and see how that oil holds up. ...
Does anyone actually have any UOA data that would indicate a VW507 oil would not protect a tdi CR engine as well as a 5W40?
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The 5w-30, VW 507.00 oils are working just fine. I've seen a few oil analyses, representing maybe 1%-2% of the vehicles, where the oil did not hold up for 10,000 miles. However this can only be helped by using a formulation with a higher starting TBN, ie more detergency. Using a thicker oil isn't going to address this issue.

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