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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old December 4th, 2012, 11:46   #1
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I just received an email about this product being available. This is something that I have thought about in the past as I see trucks with grill covers. I am curious to see what this community thinks about them. I assume with frost heaters they are not needed and/or could negatively affect cooling.

Perhaps we can start a discussion on this product now being made for ID Parts:

http://idparts.com/catalog/product_i...oducts_id=1121

http://idparts.com/catalog/product_i...oducts_id=1475

What does TDI Club think? Pros and Cons? I have not seen a thread like this in the search archives but a few from years ago. Discuss.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 11:55   #2
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I just received an email about this product being available. This is something that I have thought about in the past as I see trucks with grill covers. I am curious to see what this community thinks about them. I assume with frost heaters they are not needed and/or could negatively affect cooling.

Perhaps we can start a discussion on this product now being made for ID Parts:

http://idparts.com/catalog/product_i...oducts_id=1121

http://idparts.com/catalog/product_i...oducts_id=1475

What does TDI Club think? Pros and Cons? I have not seen a thread like this in the search archives but a few from years ago. Discuss.
Is that not the point of them......?
You haven't seen a thread like this because VW discontinued them a few years back.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:01   #3
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I just put one on my Chirstmas list. I don't have a frost heater and my car takes up to about 8 miles to full warm up once it starts to get really cold. I think these aren't just about start-up but for maintaining operating temperature while driving in regions of extreme cold.

"This cover reduces airflow to the radiator, helping the car warm up faster and stay warm."
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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:05   #4
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Agreed, if you are in an extremely cold climate, I do not see how these can negatively affect the vehicle.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:15   #5
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Yeah they definitely help maintain the engine temp. Even with a frost heater in cold climates the grill cover still serves a purpose. Just if it's too warm outside your car could run too warm. Where i am any sort of covering of the radiator makes a huge difference in any car.

I do the foam pipe insulation thing over the grill i saw on here, it helps. I may even look at throwing some cardboard on the rad too. Has anyone done both a grill cover and cardboard on there TDI??
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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:48   #6
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I have one of the OE VW ones they stopped selling several years ago. If the ID parts is designed exactly the same as the VW, it will make a noticeable but not dramatic change in warm up. I think the cover adds to the front of the car in terms of looks, so you can justify the price of the ID parts one that way, but cardboard or pipe foam will block more of the radiator for a fraction of the cost.

With the VW cover installed and ambient temps in the 20s, it takes my car about 5-6 miles of constant driving (not stop and go, rural 40 mph road) to show 190 on the dummy gauge with the inside temperature control set to COLD. I get the car up to temperature and enjoy hot air instead of delaying it by getting tepid air for a greater length of time.
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I received the email also. Looks like both upper and lower grill covers are included. The lower grill covers appear to be one piece, which may not be a good thing. I am not sure I want to block the intercooler grill opening, which I believe is the lower passenger side.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 13:07   #8
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On my wishlist. I've been doing the pipe insulation version for 5 years. Definitely helps warm up times.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 13:10   #9
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I used my OEM ones for a winter, not sure how much it helped... then somehow I lost mine.

I may have to order these up.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 13:27   #10
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I used my OEM ones for a winter, not sure how much it helped... then somehow I lost mine.

I may have to order these up.
I've had a set (and used them in cold weather) for years. Biggest thing they do is make it look like you're trying and they keep road salt/gravel from chipping up the grille. I don't notice any difference as far a temp of coolant warming up any sooner with just them on. Cover the entire radiator with black plastic corragated sign board. Works better (because it works) and you cann't see it. Save the money, unless you like the look and want to save some rock chips.
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Save the money, unless you like the look and want to save some rock chips.
Yeah I think I only like the look because I have a black car. Looks more goofy with mismatched colors IMO.

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This covers the center lower grill, not the passenger side. No effect on intercooler airflow.
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VW part number was ZVW193898 and a quick Google search comes up with this link, which appears to be orderable for $31.71:
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/pro...ZVW193898.html

I hope I'm not intruding on ID Parts here, but I didn't see anyone from ID Parts post, so I hope this helps someone out.
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You won't find the OE cover anywhere, unless someone has some leftover inventory. We searched all over the US and Western Europe before deciding to make our own covers.

I was a late convert to these. Cevans used one for years, but it wasn't until I drove out to Detroit in January a few years ago that I noticed it would help. I had a scanguage in the car at the time and my coolant temp would get to 175 or so climbing hills but drop back to 160 on flat ground. This was running at 75 MPH, outside temp in the single digits. When I started using the cover the car would maintain high 170s all the time.

Of course if you drive with it in a snowstorm your car may look like this after a while.

This was during our trip to the Detroit Auto Show in January of this year.
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I've had one of these for a many years. It's fine for moderately cold weather, but it doesn't block as much air as I would like. The upside is that I will typically leave it on until the high temperatures get into the 60's without having the fan kick in.

On my car, it will maintain 190F (once it gets there) down to about -20F at 65mph cruising speed. Yesterday, my wife had to run to Fairbanks with the temperature fluctuating from -30F to -40F. No gauge movement in town, but managed to hit 190 on the hills heading out of town. Once the road leveled off, the temperature dropped to around 155 and pretty much stayed there, but temps were back down to -40 by that point.
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I use a plastic cardboard "FOR SALE" sign bought at Dollarama for $1.25. It covers the radiator perfectly, and I don't even have to remove the bumper cover to install it. All I do is roll it up, remove the lower center plastic grill, and unroll it behind it.

I did the insulating pipe mod for one winter, but this is better in every single way.
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