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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010+) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010+) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old November 30th, 2012, 17:56   #1
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Hey Guys, I have a 2010 sport wagon w/ 61K on her presently. This is my third VW and second TDI. Having my second issue this year. These cars always seem to fall apart after 50k for me and I am a maintenance freak so it is upsetting. AC compressor went at 55K, no warranty. I told them I smelled coolant, they say no issue. Now at 61K I have a leak bottom of radiator where fan shroud rubs on fins. An obvious design flaw. Came here to see and found others have had the same issue. I am scheduled to do a DSG service this week. 400 dollars. But as i have been reading since here I am quite concerned I have been dodging a bullet w/ the HPFP issue. I just changed my filter tonight and had some sandy stuff on the bottom but no metal. Cleaned it out and replaced the filter.

I have changed my oil every 5k instead of 10K as recommended because I intended to go the long haul w/ this car. Fuel filter every 15K.

But as stated every VW starts giving up on me after 50K???

Most of what I read on the HPFP failures was most failed under 25K some around 50K and few over that.

But a 7-10k fix is out of the question for me out of pocket. This risk has me quite concerned at this point.

I'm at 61K contemplating trading over this. How much is the new design HPFP? Maybe replacing prior to disaster would be an option.??

Love the car and torque but already two issues this year and worried. No warranty.

Intended to keep for 10years but that doesn't sound possible without a 7k fix in that time. I'd rather add that to my trade!

What are the VW gurus thinking on this????

Thanks for your insight or opinions.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 18:43   #2
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I'm keeping mine... Just did the 70k oil change tonight. You'll have to decide for yourself. Read up on the thread on the CP3 pump. There may be a readily available "fix" replacement pump with a much better service record by the time something happens!

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Old November 30th, 2012, 18:52   #3
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I have changed my oil every 5k instead of 10K as recommended because I intended to go the long haul w/ this car. Fuel filter every 15K.
Supposedly the oil has detergents, and it's abrasive. So changing it more frequently just adds wear.


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Most of what I read on the HPFP failures was most failed under 25K some around 50K and few over that.
For whatever reason, they seem to fail around the times the fuel filter is changed. Even if you ignore that, failures can happen at any time, so swapping fuel pumps might give you a failure shortly after anyway. The pump is just over $1,000. Not an ideal item to swap.


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I'm at 61K contemplating trading over this. How much is the new design HPFP? Maybe replacing prior to disaster would be an option.??
There's still no fix. So you're not really gaining much in the way of safety.


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Love the car and torque but already two issues this year and worried. No warranty.
Mazda 6 and CX-5 will have diesel in 2013. I plan to trade in my 2010 JSW TDI because I'm done playing games with VW. Like you, I had planned to keep the vehicle for the long haul, but it's simply not worth the gamble.

It all hinges on how much Mazda plans to charge for their diesels. Somewhere around 25k and I'll bite. Over that point and I'll look for a gasser instead.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 19:09   #4
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Thanks for the responses. I thought I read there was a newer design in the new HPFP?? That wouldn't be some insurance? Is this an issue in the 2012's?
This very disappointing!
What percentage of cars do you think this effects?? Or is it all in due time??
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Old November 30th, 2012, 20:24   #5
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There has been several new designs. All of them still fail.

In the new Passat, they lowered hpfp pressure, and changed the coating of the pump. That tells us they haven't found a fix, but are instead band-aiding it to lower the chance of it happening instead.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 21:16   #6
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I thought GM was bad w/ the LS7 corvettes blowing motors for a valve design flaw. 14K motor! same thing going on for years w/ no fix. That I have an extended warranty so no worries! This VW is worth 17K a 7k fix is ridiculous!! So this 1000 dollar part causes 6000 worth of damage and labor?? System can't be flushed of metal?? There is nothing in this class, that at this price point, is as safe. Is this an issue on the gas jettas and passats?? They are DI? correct ? is that a HPFP also.? Man I am twisted now!
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Old December 1st, 2012, 07:07   #7
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Diesel and gasoline HPFP have nothing to do with each other. "High" pressure for a gasoline direct-injection engine is a tenth the pressure that diesel uses. The pump is entirely different.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 16:40   #8
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Doing a DSG at 61K ?? they should be done at 40 K, have you already done it at 40 K? IF so why another at 61?

Regarding the pump I think it is less than 1%, yes it sucks big time if it blows up and you in the top 1% and not in a good way, but i think VW has covered most of them that failed. For something under 1% I will take my chances, Do not know what to say regarding the AC.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 17:29   #9
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Yes, 61K was never done at my last dealer. We have done our services and this was overlooked between both dealers in the confusion of moving. But this dealer caught it and recommended we do it. But to tell you the truth I am really considering selling. This issue has taken away from ownership as it is a big concern at that price of the fix. If I was told worse case scenario I could go to a independent German car shop and flush my lines and tank and have a new pump put in for a reasonable amount like under 2k I would be more apt to keeping it. But at 7-10K for an entire fuel system as the only option for an 18000 dollar car at this point, it doesn't compute. That is more than half the cars value!! VW has had years to take care of it's owners and has not. This is not a small price to saddle a loyal owner with. This is my third and probably last VW because of this. I really like the product fit, finish, and quality of materials. But the quality or longevity for long term ownership is just not there. Every one of my last three VW starts falling apart after 50K. Many warrantees. We really take care of our cars so that is not saying much for VW. I am concerned that it could be 1% but VW is not saying and getting behind owning this problem. So it may be much more that 1%. They are only covering you within the new warranty. So in essence they are selling a car that only lasts about 50K without a MAJOR and expensive fix after that. That is not a value to me. I bought it for 27K it's a diesel , good mileage, should last longer that a gasser. All cars have issues but a 10K problem that is likely after purchase??? Why would anyone pay for this out of pocket for it to happen again because there is no definite fix???? It's a shame because we love this car, but having a 10K fix following you around waiting to happen isn't for me!! It's also not right. VW if you don't at the very least give extended warranties to TDI owners....you have lost me forever!!
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I think you should get rid of it. You clearly feel the car is going to continue to cause problems and you don't like unplanned expenses. Maybe making payments on a newer car is more appealing.

Keep in mind that there are lots of folks here that have 'way over 50K on their TDIs with relatively few problems. My '12 only has 14K, but the others in my house have 120, 160, 240, and 267K. I wouldn't say any of them are falling apart.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 17:59   #11
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i have the same car. 93k on it...i'm going to take my chances. its been a really good car and if the hpfp did happen to fail i don't think that the dealer**** is going to just tell me tough
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Old December 1st, 2012, 20:05   #12
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I think you should get rid of it. You clearly feel the car is going to continue to cause problems and you don't like unplanned expenses. Maybe making payments on a newer car is more appealing.

Keep in mind that there are lots of folks here that have 'way over 50K on their TDIs with relatively few problems. My '12 only has 14K, but the others in my house have 120, 160, 240, and 267K. I wouldn't say any of them are falling apart.
I agree and am unfortunately leaning on bailing out of this car. Comparing the older diesels to the new 2009-2012 TDI is very much an apple to an orange. There isn't anything on the older diesels that would fail to the tune of more than half the price of the car. The older diesels are a different and better breed. All cars have issues and we deal with them as needed. But this car is for arguments sake around 18K? If I had a choice of fixing an 18K car and adding 10K to it...I wouldn't think I would want to, as it CAN happen again as there is no definite fix. I'd rather put that 10K towards another new vehicle. This was an affordable economy car. 10K fixes don't compute for what it is. We don't save that much in fuel.
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i have the same car. 93k on it...i'm going to take my chances. its been a really good car and if the hpfp did happen to fail i don't think that the dealer**** is going to just tell me tough
Wait?? Your thinking is at 93K out of warranty, the VW dealer is going to give you a loyalty warranty???? They are giving people in warranty a hard time. They try to blame the fuel. I think if you think VW is going to help you or us out at this point out of warranty you are mistaken. I wish but I don't think so. I also wish there was a cheaper way out for a non-dealer VW shop to fix this, as this would keep me in a more reasonable frame of mind towards this problem...but 7-10K is ridiculous for an economy car. I thought my BMW was silly on some of the repairs but I am rethinking that. Nothing has been more than 1-2 K.
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First, it's not a 10K repair. Repairs seem to be running 6-7K at the dealer. And if you believe what people post here dealers are honoring many more repairs without questioning the owner, even outside the powertrain warranty. If you do mis-fuel and the dealer won't cover it, your comprehensive insurance should.

Second, there are items on the older cars that fail and cause significant expense. Ask someone with a '99.5-03 TDI with the 01M transmission. $4-5K for a reman transmission from VW which is about the only option. Or '04-05 owners with balance shaft and/or cam and/or transmission problems. Or cam problems in '04-06 PDs. None of those are quite up to the expense level of the HPFP, but they're significant ownership risks.

Third, one option that most people don't consider is replacing the HPFP as preventive maintenance. They cost about $1,500, and replacement would be far less expensive than the fuel system repairs required if it fails. However, there's no evidence that the replacement HPFP is any better than what's in the car. It could last 10K or 200K. So could the one you have.

You still should probably sell. Someone will enjoy the car and, most likely, get a long and happy service life. Perhaps.
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First, it's not a 10K repair. Repairs seem to be running 6-7K at the dealer. And if you believe what people post here dealers are honoring many more repairs without questioning the owner, even outside the powertrain warranty. If you do mis-fuel and the dealer won't cover it, your comprehensive insurance should.

Second, there are items on the older cars that fail and cause significant expense. Ask someone with a '99.5-03 TDI with the 01M transmission. $4-5K for a reman transmission from VW which is about the only option. Or '04-05 owners with balance shaft and/or cam and/or transmission problems. Or cam problems in '04-06 PDs. None of those are quite up to the expense level of the HPFP, but they're significant ownership risks.

Third, one option that most people don't consider is replacing the HPFP as preventive maintenance. They cost about $1,500, and replacement would be far less expensive than the fuel system repairs required if it fails. However, there's no evidence that the replacement HPFP is any better than what's in the car. It could last 10K or 200K. So could the one you have.
I don't think changing out a hpfp as preventive maintenance is an option most owner's even consider,because a failure isn't going to happen to them..........................................unti l it happens.

Here is a failure that dealer est. repair cost was $8,000. Yes, its not $10,000,but there is a huge difference between $5,000 transmission and a $8,000 hpfp fuel system repair.
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HPFP Major Failure
Year: 2009
Build Date: ?
Make/Model: VW Jetta TDI
Tranny: DSG
Mileage: 63300
Diesel Fuel Source: Various - Arco, Shell, etc.
Additives: No
Problem: HPFP "blew apart, spewing metal shards throughout the entire fuel system" per dealer. Entire fuel system with the exception of the fuel tank needs to be replaced. Car gave a little shudder, then died and would not restart. "Major engine Failure" warning light came on (no warning before that). Had to tow it to the nearest dealer for repair.
Dealer: Winn VW, Newark, CA
Status: still pending - extended warranty company (recommended and sold to me by VW dealer) and dealer continue to haggle over who will pay. Dealer says they will not, warranty company keeps changing their mind. They have inspected and re-inspected. No contaminated fuel found. They finally agreed to pay, but only a small amount of the repair. 2 weeks in the shop and absolutely nothing done so far. In fact, they just ordered parts Saturday. Estimated cost to repair is $8000 plus rental car for 3 weeks.
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