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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old September 16th, 2012, 01:04   #1
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I've read and been told conflicting views on the necessity of the DSG service at 40,000 miles on a TDI JSW. I'd appreciate and be interested to see others' takes on that.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 02:10   #2
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I'm betting most here would defer to the intervals stated in the vehicle manual.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 05:37   #3
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I'll be doing mine. I've neglected tranny services in the past when the alternative was running to the junkyard and picking up a $300 used one but that isn't the case here.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 05:44   #4
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Nah, just skip it.

Seriously, of course it's necessary. Dealer service writers and repair shops haven't caught up with the DSG service intervals, and give uninformed responses that go back to "lifetime fill" conventional automatics.

That transmission and its components are very expensive. IMO it would be foolhardy to ignore the manufacturer's recommended service.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 06:31   #5
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40,000 miles. Pay me now $ or pay me latter $$$$$$$ .
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:00   #6
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I've read and been told conflicting views on the necessity of the DSG service at 40,000 miles on a TDI JSW. I'd appreciate and be interested to see others' takes on that.
Since I'm one of the 09 model year owners who received an extension of the warranty on the DSG to 100K miles or 10 years, I have to have the DSG service done at 40K intervals to keep the warranty in effectl
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Are these the same people that told you to change your oil at 3,000 miles?!
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:25   #8
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I've read and been told conflicting views on the necessity of the DSG service at 40,000 miles on a TDI JSW. I'd appreciate and be interested to see others' takes on that.

Read and follow the owners' manual. Scheduled maintenance is not optional, nor unnecessary. It is simply scheduled. Disposable machines have lifetime fluids.... If you treat your VW as a disposable machine, it will slowly become one.

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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:52   #9
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Thanks for the replies. You've convinced me that the better-advised route is to get it done.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 12:06   #10
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It's not necessary at all as long as you don't mind buying a new transmission after 100,000 miles.

As mentioned in an earlier post, pay me now $$ or pay me later $$$$$$$.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 18:21   #11
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I think this is a good thread....who really knows....all the so called experts are chiming in...who says you cant "stretch" the intervals a bit...like if you drive all hwy....40K seems fast to me ....if you do every 60K....doest that mean the transmission will puke sooner??? NOT convinced but hey I drive a stick....hahahaha....If I had a DSG I would be tempted to stretch that interval a bit....priced it out yet?? it's an expensive service...If you can miss 2 of those flushes in 200K...then might be worth it....(of course there is always warranty to deal with but I am talking more out of warranty)...I dunno...call me doubting tom but I think those intervals are VERY conservative for a hard driver and for more service CONTROL for their dealers....I think the gentle driver...all hwy...could easily stretch....same as 3000 miles vs 10,000 mile intervals....in some ways....just sayin....
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I'm in the throws of making a purchase, so what does the 40k service cost?
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Old September 16th, 2012, 18:54   #13
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Chiming in with my $7.81... *inflation adjusted

My 2005.5, Mk5 TDI DSG. 208,000 miles. Did 40K Service. oil sent out. minimal amount of crap in oil. Did 80K Service. oil sent out. less than 5% of what was in the 40K service. Did 120K service. oil sent out. 1% of what was in 40K service, 400% less than what was in 80K service. Did 120K service. less than 1% of 40K service. Will be doing the service again at 220K as the $300+ for the service is not doing much of anything from an oil perspective. It looks the same going out as it does going in.

Now, what I do think is that the 40K is important. I think that all the parts wear in and mate and that is what created the debris in the oil. What would be a good plan of attack would be to do the 40K service and then every other oil change, change your DSG filter and add 1/3 of a quart of DSG fluid and then change at 100K and continue 100K change intervals for the fluid but change the DSG filter on every other oil change.

Hey, I don't have all the answers, but I do have almost 1,000,000 miles on TDI's....
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It wouldn't just be debris in the oil that's an issue, but shearing of the oil. In other words, the oil itself wears out eventually, becoming less viscous and less protective. But unlike engine oil, there shouldn't be a lot of chemical contaminants (gas/diesel and combustion by-products) mixing with and diluting the oil.

FYI, here are some current VW transmission prices, to help people decide if they want to risk a transmission to avoid doing proper maintenance. Personally, I wouldn't buy a used DSG transmission vehicle if services have been ignored or delayed by those that think they know better than the manufacturer.

Automatic transaxle, Transaxle
Jetta, 2.0L
List Price : $6,799.98
Your Price : $6,222.00
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Automatic transaxle, Transaxle
Jetta, 2.0L TDI, Trans Code MFL
List Price : $5,999.99
Your Price : $5,490.00
Quantity:


Automatic transaxle, Transaxle
Jetta, 2.0L TDI, Trans Code MSV
List Price : $5,799.99
Your Price : $5,307.00
Quantity:

To these prices, add A LOT of labor cost!

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Chiming in with my $7.81... *inflation adjusted

My 2005.5, Mk5 TDI DSG. 208,000 miles. Did 40K Service. oil sent out. minimal amount of crap in oil. Did 80K Service. oil sent out. less than 5% of what was in the 40K service. Did 120K service. oil sent out. 1% of what was in 40K service, 400% less than what was in 80K service. Did 120K service. less than 1% of 40K service. Will be doing the service again at 220K as the $300+ for the service is not doing much of anything from an oil perspective. It looks the same going out as it does going in.

Now, what I do think is that the 40K is important. I think that all the parts wear in and mate and that is what created the debris in the oil. What would be a good plan of attack would be to do the 40K service and then every other oil change, change your DSG filter and add 1/3 of a quart of DSG fluid and then change at 100K and continue 100K change intervals for the fluid but change the DSG filter on every other oil change.

Hey, I don't have all the answers, but I do have almost 1,000,000 miles on TDI's....

It sounds like that first DSG service at 40,000 miles is VERY important. Thanks for the DATA. (First DSG DATA I remember seeing...)

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