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Old May 11th, 2012, 16:03   #1
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Default BRM w/PD 140 Turbo and 150 Injectors

I finally got around to running a dyno on my '06 BRM with an upgraded PD 140 turbo and PD 150 injectors and of course a tune from Jeff at RocketChip. Lots of people helped pull this together, my thanks to them all.
Rollin' the Coal:
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The car is wonderful to drive, a great mix of power and torque. They should have come this way.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 17:47   #2
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Did you use the standard gt1646 or the upgraded gt1749vc from Scroll products for the PD140? Looks like really good performance for something that could cost less than 3,000 in parts/tune when all said and done.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 18:32   #3
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Did you use the standard gt1646 or the upgraded gt1749vc from Scroll products for the PD140? Looks like really good performance for something that could cost less than 3,000 in parts/tune when all said and done.

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Just the stock PD 140 turbo from ID Parts. I was not aware of any other PD 140 turbo being available. You're a bit low on your parts estimate; however I was looking for a combination of power and longevity. I hope to get 300,000-400,000 miles from this car.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 05:22   #4
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Man, that's a REALLY nice curve! I'm really excited to get everything buttoned up on my BEW and get it on a dyno (1756, PD150 injectors, etc etc)
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Old May 12th, 2012, 05:49   #5
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Man, that's a REALLY nice curve! I'm really excited to get everything buttoned up on my BEW and get it on a dyno (1756, PD150 injectors, etc etc)
The 1756 is a generation or two newer and I thought about going that route but having to fab an intake was too much for me. The bolt-on option was the way I wanted to go. Your car should be great when finished. Hope to see some number when its done.
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Yeah, I lucked out with the BEW for sure (as far as not requiring anything special to bolt all my old ALH stuff up to it)
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Old May 12th, 2012, 08:52   #7
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Just curious because I have been giving a similar upgrade some thought, where am I going wrong in my cost estimations?

GT1749vc PD140 upgraded turbo: $1400
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkswagen-P...909afd&vxp=mtr
PD150 injectors used: $700 (if you're patient, can find a set for less usually)
Tune: $6-700
Oil Feed Line for turbo: $70
Manifold Gasket: $20

I'd install it all myself, so not including labor in my estimate. Please let me know what you found when doing the upgrade as far as the parts needed and if I'm leaving something out of my list.

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Old May 12th, 2012, 09:56   #8
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Just curious because I have been giving a similar upgrade some thought, where am I going wrong in my cost estimations?

GT1749vc PD140 upgraded turbo: $1400
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkswagen-P...909afd&vxp=mtr
PD150 injectors used: $700 (if you're patient, can find a set for less usually)
Tune: $6-700
Oil Feed Line for turbo: $70
Manifold Gasket: $20

I'd install it all myself, so not including labor in my estimate. Please let me know what you found when doing the upgrade as far as the parts needed and if I'm leaving something out of my list.

Hurst
The turbo you've found has been remanufactured by an "expert" according to the ad. I'm more conservative and wanted to buy from a known vendor. Because the actuator works in reverse on the BRM as opposed to the other motors listed the one you've found will require a new actuator and or someone with enough technical savvy to rewire this one. I only know of one person who's done this. So the bottom line is that I paid more for my turbo as a new OEM product and had the additional cost to find an actuator that would work. You may not have an issues with this yourself. My turbo came with the proper 140 oil feed line but it wasn't a joy to install. You may want to do something with your CAT or an upgraded down pipe if you go with the turbo you've found.

I searched for a long time to find PD 150 injectors. Kerma sells them new for $795 each. I bought used ones at first but they did not work as I'd hoped so I had to replace them with new; although I did use another vendor.

I did replace the clutch with a South Bend Stage III (currently called a Stage II Endurance) and had my dual mass flywheel machined by South Bend. I can't even remember what all that cost.

The cost of a tune will vary by vendor but I suspect you're in the ballpark there. So overall I spent well over 4K in total not counting having to replace the cam in the middle of this. Some will say I was nuts to spend that kind on $$$ for an upgrade like this, maybe so, but it seems to bring a smile to the face of everyone who's driven it including me.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 04:22   #9
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Sootman,

What exactly did you have to do for an actuator on your turbo setup?

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What exactly did you have to do for an actuator on your turbo setup?

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Peter and Corey at ID Parts came up with an actuator that works. However it needed to be modified as the length of the thread rod wasn't long enough. They did figure a way of doing it. Recently Corey found that the actuator from the common rail has the needed length and has the electronic loop connector that's needed. You may want to contact them and see what the options are available as Peter recently told me that he had just gotten in some new turbos.
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What exactly did you have to do for an actuator on your turbo setup?
Thanks,
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Peter and Corey at ID Parts came up with an actuator that works. However it needed to be modified as the length of the threaded rod wasn't long enough. They did figure a way of making it work. Recently Corey found that the actuator from the common rail has the needed length and has the electronic loop connector that's needed too. You may want to contact them and see what the options are available as Peter recently told me that he had just gotten in some new turbos.
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The turbo I linked in my earlier post is believed to use the PD170 actuator (that's the 16v engine with the 1749vc) according to this post:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=344379

Says it is plug and play with the BRM's computer, but is located slightly differently than the original turbo.

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The turbo I linked in my earlier post is believed to use the PD170 actuator (that's the 16v engine with the 1749vc) according to this post:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=344379

Says it is plug and play with the BRM's computer, but is located slightly differently than the original turbo.

Hurst
Interesting reading and lots left to conjecture. I really like to see some solid numbers from a non-Mustang dyno.

I hope double rl will post a dyno soon.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 07:43   #14
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Very nice build. This is something I have been looking at doing for over a year now. Those are very nice numbers on the dyno. I just have a few question. Do you have an upgraded down pipe and exhaust? How come you had to replace your cam? and how come you had to upgrade your injectors? I've been told that the stock injectors are good up to 170hp?

My plans are to go with the PD140 turbo, Malone stage 4 tune (with dynamic egr control & dynamic idle control) With an exhaust similar to the one linked below. And a Sach VR6 clutch kit. My aim would be 160hp and 270pounds of torque.

http://techtonicstuning.com/main/ind...oducts_id=1382
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Old May 30th, 2012, 07:55   #15
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Great write up / questions and answers. I have desire to "upgrade" my TDI when the warranty is up. Thank you for the cost coverage.

I do have a question about your power increase. do you have traction control still enabled. I feel / see it kick in with my 12 tdi and I wish there was a switch to turn it off. It's very annoying
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