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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old March 23rd, 2012, 15:21   #1
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I've read a lot of people on here say they won't get a passat because it doesn't have HID lights. I've never had a car with them so I have no reference, but can it be that big of a deal to pass up on a great car because of lights? Mine seems to be just fine with normal halogen bulbs.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 16:15   #2
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Buy the car and install PIAA Extreme White bulbs. Set of two H7 will cost $60 x 2 for low and hi beams. It takes 5 minutes. If you have fog lights than you will need extra pair of H7. Also if you want something cheeper with 1 year warranty go with Sylvania Utras. For those that need the cool look of HID they can go on line to order from Japan or China as VW in asia comes with factory HID installed.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 16:27   #3
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Yeah it wasn't any kind of issue to me to not buy the car but some of the posts on the forums people just won't buy the car because of it and I was just wondering what the big deal was cuz I've never had them before and my regular old halogens seem just fine to me.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 16:35   #4
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I agree, I don't see HIDs as a deal breaker. That said, if there's an economical upgrade that is reliable with a reasonable lifespan, I'd make the upgrade.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 17:51   #5
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Well when mine go bad I'll look at the h7 lights. It stock VW fine by me.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 18:51   #6
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I wouldn't mind getting some of those PIAA extreme white lights for my DRL's, if they made them. Is it doable? Part number and what kind of light base, I wonder? Even some cool white LED's would be cool, if it fit in there.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 05:10   #7
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I've read a lot of people on here say they won't get a passat because it doesn't have HID lights. I've never had a car with them so I have no reference, but can it be that big of a deal to pass up on a great car because of lights? Mine seems to be just fine with normal halogen bulbs.
HID is not better. It is different. What is best for you depends a lot on what you want. Do you like that blueish color that most of them make, OK but don't assume that blue is better. It is different and it may be better for some, but not for me.

I will suggest that the best lamp is the one that allows the drive the best vision (the ability to see where they are going and to spot possible problems). "Blue" light does not = "better" light. The bluish HID lamp may provide better light than what you have now or it may not.

HID is the name of the technology that is producing the light. Light is made up of a wide range of "colors". HID's tend to produce a lot of their light in the blush end of the spectrum. Our eyes are sensitive to a wider range of colors. So with HID's we may be missing some colors that might help us see better.

Your eyes and mine are not the same. I really hate that blue light. Just like I hate that orange "sodium" lamps on the freeway. They both are only illuminating a "slice" of what is out there. The rest is missing.

In my opinion the best light I have ever had on a car was 7" round E-codes on my Miata. one reason they were the best was because they were Pop-up lights that were located (when turned on) very close to my line of sight and produced almost no shadows. They were bad for fog, but I had fog lamps for that.

Light is a lot more complex than most people think.

Maybe I had too many physics classes in college.
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What is wrong with after market HIDS? Thats a solution if your hang up is HID lights.
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Aftermarket HIDs generally suck, especially with poor quality Chinesium retrofits dominating the market.

The stock halogen lights on the Passat seem to do a very good job. If you want to upgrade to HIDs, do it right and buy a real set that comes on the Asian VWs.
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Like I said before I don't see any issue with my stock halogens. Don't c why people so caught up in the whole it's a crap car cuz of no HID's.
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I agree and can think of 1000 better ways to spend that much $cratch on my family. Not knocking the HID fanboys, just don't believe in throwing discretionary dollars at the fastest depreciating asset in the household.
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I appreciate a set of good HID headlights. My dad's Lexus RX400h has amazing HIDs that auto-level and turn when you turn. Very nice. That said, HIDs certainly aren't a deal-breaker for me when it comes to buying a car.
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I appreciate a set of good HID headlights. My dad's Lexus RX400h has amazing HIDs that auto-level and turn when you turn. Very nice. That said, HIDs certainly aren't a deal-breaker for me when it comes to buying a car.
I feel the same way but like I said before I've never had a vehicle that had them and didn't know what all the fuss is about.
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I agree and can think of 1000 better ways to spend that much $cratch on my family. Not knocking the HID fanboys, just don't believe in throwing discretionary dollars at the fastest depreciating asset in the household.
Ah a voice of reason. I agree whole heartedly.
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HID is not better. It is different. What is best for you depends a lot on what you want. Do you like that blueish color that most of them make, OK but don't assume that blue is better. It is different and it may be better for some, but not for me.
I will suggest that the best lamp is the one that allows the drive the best vision (the ability to see where they are going and to spot possible problems). "Blue" light does not = "better" light. The bluish HID lamp may provide better light than what you have now or it may not.
HID is the name of the technology that is producing the light. Light is made up of a wide range of "colors". HID's tend to produce a lot of their light in the blush end of the spectrum. Our eyes are sensitive to a wider range of colors. So with HID's we may be missing some colors that might help us see better.
Your eyes and mine are not the same. I really hate that blue light. Just like I hate that orange "sodium" lamps on the freeway. They both are only illuminating a "slice" of what is out there. The rest is missing.
In my opinion the best light I have ever had on a car was 7" round E-codes on my Miata. one reason they were the best was because they were Pop-up lights that were located (when turned on) very close to my line of sight and produced almost no shadows. They were bad for fog, but I had fog lamps for that.
Light is a lot more complex than most people think.
Maybe I had too many physics classes in college.
Actually, it IS better as far as light output goes... A Philips 85122+ D2S bulb has a lumen output rating of ~3100. A typical 55w Halogen bulb (by US DOT standards) has a lumen output of ~1500. You get twice the light output from the OEM HID bulb.

The reason the bulbs can have twice the light output while being safe for use on the road, is due in large part to projector lenses. With proper HID projector lenses, it's possible to get maximum forward light output without completely blinding other drivers on the road (due to the sharp cutoff of the HID projector lens). A standard halogen reflector bowl headlight will throw light above the cutoff line (though they are much better than they used to be).

Proper OEM HID bulbs are typically 4150K in temperature, making them "daylight" white. The light they produce is equivalent to noon-day sun on the road... Blue HIDs (betwen 8000K and 10000K) are aftermarket only, and are not only more fatiguing on the eyes, but produce less light than 55w halogen bulbs.

As far as the technology goes, it's been around for decades. HID (short for High Intensity Discharge) bulbs are a gas-arc type bulb that require a ballast and ignitor to ignite metal salts in a sealed-gas environment... Basically it's similar to how Neon, Fluorescent, Mercury-vapor, and similar lights work, and it's also quite easy to get any color in the spectrum in a HID bulb (in an aftermarket application), so it's not limited to "blue".
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