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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:07   #1
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Ok, so now what are diesel lovers suppose to think?

Is VW taking a step to abandon us at the Altar?

http://www.leftlanenews.com/volkswag...ta-hybrid.html

After the US market's reaction to the new Jetta and Passat, could diesel become an orphan?
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:21   #2
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Similar consumption on a cheaper (in North America) fuel - sign me up.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:30   #3
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After the US market's reaction to the new Jetta and Passat, could diesel become an orphan?
I thought I had read that US Passat tdi sales were so brisk that they couldn't keep up?
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Old January 9th, 2012, 13:00   #4
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VW is supposedly not able to keep up with diesel demand in everything but the Jetta Sedan. JSW are selling at 80% diesels.

It will be interesting to see if VW can pull off real world numbers with the hybrid that come close to the EPA numbers. I agree that this does not look good for the diesel engines. Except that the hybrids are typically one of the higher priced offerings in the line. So maybe there will be a choice of high mpg diesel of $25,000 and a high mpg hybrid for $30,000. Probably no options on the hybrid, fully loaded or nothing.

just rambling, perhaps this could also position VW to offer true into diesels as a way to differentiate them from the hybrid. Stripped to the bones with on upgrades. ??
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Old January 9th, 2012, 13:22   #5
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Why, oh why, aren't we seeing TDI hybrids???? Put a 1.4L TDI in that instead of the gasser and get an additional 5MPG, at least!
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Old January 9th, 2012, 16:54   #6
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It will be interesting to see if VW can pull off real world numbers with the hybrid that come close to the EPA numbers. I agree that this does not look good for the diesel engines. Except that the hybrids are typically one of the higher priced offerings in the line. So maybe there will be a choice of high mpg diesel of $25,000 and a high mpg hybrid for $30,000. Probably no options on the hybrid, fully loaded or nothing.
VW is going to be using 7spd DSG tranny compared everyone else that use the CVT, i'm thinking that has something to do with the mpg, but it will also add a huge fun factor to this. (hopefully)

As for real world MPG, vw's have been lot better with thier mpg claims so hopefully this one will be close.

Funny thing is that they are using 15' wheels! i guess every bit helps! That will be the first thing that will be changed in my car
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Old January 9th, 2012, 17:16   #7
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-complex turbo engine, complex transmission AND a complex hybrid system. I'm not sure I'm ready for another layer of complexity. Frankly, I'm at the point where I'm nervous owning a car longer than four years or outside of warranty with the current level of complexity. If the reliability remains the same as older generation powertrains, and if maintenance/repair costs remain the same, then fine, but I'm not feeling overly confident.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 17:32   #8
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Not to derail the hybrid topic, but did anyone notice the headlights with the LED DRLs and projectors? I am buying a set of those as soon as they're available.

In terms of the hybrid Jetta itself - but hybrids provide their best mileage in town. On the highway, it's all combustion engine powering the vehicle. Having had an Altima Hybrid before, I can say that I never achieved the stated mileage because too many hyper-miling techniques and road variables prevented achieving the stated mpg. Conversely, the Jetta TDI surpasses the stated mpg rating.
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Not to derail the hybrid topic, but did anyone notice the headlights with the LED DRLs? I am buying a set of those as soon as they're available.
yep it comes with LED tails as well!

it will be funny, vw is going to sell more headlight+tails then hybrids!
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Old January 9th, 2012, 17:43   #10
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Why, oh why, aren't we seeing TDI hybrids????
Too exspensive for us every day penny pinchers.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 17:56   #11
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This a "feel good" model that will never take the place of a diesel option. This offering is just a "we can do this too", not a model to remove the diesel from the line up here or anywhere else......
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This a "feel good" model that will never take the place of a diesel option. This offering is just a "we can do this too", not a model to remove the diesel from the line up here or anywhere else......
Agreed. It will likely be priced into a higher segment as well, similar to the Touareg Supercharged Hybrid. Although, I say that loosely, as the Touareg and Jetta platforms and markets are hardly comparable.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 20:36   #13
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-complex turbo engine, complex transmission AND a complex hybrid system. I'm not sure I'm ready for another layer of complexity. Frankly, I'm at the point where I'm nervous owning a car longer than four years or outside of warranty with the current level of complexity. If the reliability remains the same as older generation powertrains, and if maintenance/repair costs remain the same, then fine, but I'm not feeling overly confident.
Excellent post. We are moving toward the day when cars will be very complex appliances and difficult to service. Many of the systems will be sealed and expensive to swap out. The days of people like me and many of the people on this board who drive their cars 15-30 years and do all the work themselves are numbered. I'm 56 and I'm afraid I might be the last generation.
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yep it comes with LED tails as well!

it will be funny, vw is going to sell more headlight+tails then hybrids!
I also read that HIDs will be included in a higher trim level, along with a power driver seat. Finally returning the option list. Still only the RNS-315 nav though. I love my HD Radio in my RNS-510 and would not want to step back to a radio wtihout it.
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