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Old November 4th, 2011, 08:51   #1
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Hi all,

I just bought a 01 TDI and am wanting to do an oil change this weekend.

I checked the oil a few days ago and saw it was low, I read here that the Rotella T6 5W40 was a good synthetic oil to use so I bought some and topped up the oil. I have no clue what was in there before.

While I was at the dealer buying the oil filer, air and cabin filters I asked about the rotella oil T6. He said that I can't use the Rotella T6 oil as it does not meet the VW 505.00 specification for oil. and that I should use the Castrol 5w30 that they sell.

I don;t mind spending a little more for oil but I don't believe that the castrol 5W30 the dealer is selling is a god choice.

So is the Rotella t6 ok to use, and/ or is there a better oil I should be using.

Thanks.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 08:55   #2
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i suggest you do some reading....hundreds of threads on this...
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Old November 4th, 2011, 08:57   #3
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PART ONE: For engines that are NOT "pumpe-duse" or "common-rail". This is for the older-design mechanical rotary distributor pump engines.

You must use a synthetic engine oil, recommended viscosity 5w40 although 0w40 is also permissible (and in the case that the oil meets specifically one of the VW 505.xx standards then the viscosity does not matter, it could be different), AND in the fine print on the bottle that lists what standards that the oil conforms to, it must list either VW 505.00, ACEA B3, ACEA B4, API CJ-4, CI-4, API CH-4, or API CG-4. (Note: "Either" means ANY ONE OF, not necessarily all of them. For example, if it's VW 505.00 but doesn't list the others, that's fine, because VW 505.00 is "one" of the standards listed and you only need "one".) But do NOT assume that any synthetic oil will meet these standards. READ THE BOTTLE. For example, most versions of Mobil 1 do NOT meet these standards (they are meant for gasoline engines). Also, any oil that is suitable for a P-D is fine for a distributor-pump engine.
Your dealer is wrong. See above, or just look at your car's manual.

Your engine does not exclusively require 505.00. Used oil analysis show T6 5W-40 to be superior to Castrol 5W-30. Stay with T6.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:00   #4
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Your dealer is wrong. See above, or just look at your car's manual.

Your engine does not exclusively require 505.00. Used oil analysis show T6 5W-40 to be superior to Castrol 5W-30. Stay with T6.
Thanks for the reply. I have done a lot of reading on oil (among other things), but after talking to the dealer I figured I would ask here.

So basically the dealer is now recommending sub par oil for these cars? Why would they change the oil recommendation? Do they have a deal with Castrol or something?
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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:02   #5
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Imagine a clueless dealer?

I've used it for over 200k in my 01 Golf with OEM filters - you'll be fine.

I do change it every 5k since it's so cheap and good insurance.

Let the OCI bashing begin, but it works for me.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:06   #6
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Thanks for the reply. I have done a lot of reading on oil (among other things), but after talking to the dealer I figured I would ask here.

So basically the dealer is now recommending sub par oil for these cars? Why would they change the oil recommendation? Do they have a deal with Castrol or something?
They are recommending the oil that most dealer's sell AFAIK. It's a fine oil (my car used it for 80,000 during dealer service), just not as robust as T6. For them to say that you can't use T6 is what irks me, as it's untrue, as stated in your owner's manual. 0W/5W-40 is all I would run in a TDI anyway. Save money, run T6 10,000 mi OCI. Now that's what I call cheap insurance
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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:24   #7
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Here's a good list of CJ-4 5W40 oils to start with. There's also Euro oils which can be found on some of the vendors sites as well.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=215098
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My 01 bug always used some oil when I was running the dealer castrol 5w-40. Then I switched to Mobil one TDT and it started to use even more oil (quart per 8000). Then I tried the T6 and my oil consumption completely stopped.
My oil of choice is Shell T6 5w-40 in my entire fleet.
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My 01 bug always used some oil when I was running the dealer castrol 5w-40. Then I switched to Mobil one TDT and it started to use even more oil (quart per 8000). Then I tried the T6 and my oil consumption completely stopped.
My oil of choice is Shell T6 5w-40 in my entire fleet.
Perhaps I shouldn't say this, because you know how it goes now it might cause me problems.

But in 215k miles (first 20k maintenance done by dealer though) I've never consumed any oil (except one time when oil pressure sender went bad). Still don't. Other than what dealer used it's had nothing but Rotella T fully synthetic. What I've been able to observe of my engine (like turbo replacement at 180k for a VNT17 where the intake wasn't even dirty enough to clean) it all looks great inside as well.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:36   #10
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Thanks again for the replies. I will use the T6 and disregard what the dealer said.

I will probably be changing the oil every 8000km's give or take a few, I am used to the 5000km changes for gas cars and 10,000miles between changes seems so long.

Cheers

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Old November 4th, 2011, 09:57   #11
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Nah, DJ, the API truck oils are good to go 10k miles intervals without breaking a sweat, assuming a stock engine that's in good shape. At an 8k kms interval, the oil is just starting to show degradation on the ULSD fuel.
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Nah, DJ, the API truck oils are good to go 10k miles intervals without breaking a sweat, assuming a stock engine that's in good shape. At an 8k kms interval, the oil is just starting to show degradation on the ULSD fuel.
Really? That's 16,000km's At those intervals the difference in price between the oil is negligible really...
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Actually, to determine what OCI you should be using we need to know what kind of driving are you doing? Mostly highway, mostly city, lots of starting and stopping? etc.

I do all highway, all the time... I do 15k OCI's with TDT.
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Really? That's 16,000km's At those intervals the difference in price between the oil is negligible really...

And now you are beginning to see what you've been missing all these years.

The 16k kms interval has been in place for years. Nothing new there.
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Actually, to determine what OCI you should be using we need to know what kind of driving are you doing? Mostly highway, mostly city, lots of starting and stopping? etc.

I do all highway, all the time... I do 15k OCI's with TDT.
I would say my driving is 65% city, 35% highway, I m not in a major city so I don't do bumper to bumper traffic often. But I do not baby my vehicles, I tend to get the worst mileage out of every car I drive because I have a lead foot.
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