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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old October 28th, 2011, 12:07   #1
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specifically, can someone please clarify the difference between the different coolant heaters available: Zerostart and Frostheater. I'm assuming Frostheater is a lot easier to install, and comes with a complete kit.

also, whats the story with these plug-in heating elements from Phillips and Temro? Is there a solution for the TDI, or is there drilling required? Can I run it off my battery for some quick heat while in the store or when away from electrical outlet?

For clarification, I'm planning on installing the Frostheater because I do a lot of short trips to the gym, but there is no outlet there, so I would like to combine it with a heating plug.

What do you guys think?
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Old October 28th, 2011, 13:16   #2
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Well last night was the first nigt it got below freezing and even before this happened I was thinking about installing one of these. Did a bit of research on the two companys that you listed and the Zerostart is only a 750 watt heater while the Frostheater is 1000 watt. Just a lil info. I think I'll be going with the Frostheater since thats what is installed on a friends car already, and he hasn't had any issues for the few years its been installed.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 13:21   #3
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good point, i think i will get the one from Kerma. please excuse me while i drool over Webasto[pdf]
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Old October 28th, 2011, 13:52   #4
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Zerostart makes 1000 and 1500 watt heaters also, I have a 1500 but haven't installed it yet.

Here is a link I found:http:
//www.jcwhitney.com/tank-type-engine-heaters/p2000837.jcwx#prodDetailTabPanel
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Old October 29th, 2011, 08:35   #5
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The Frostheater brand is a line of complete kits designed specifically for tdi's that utilizes a tank/heating element sourced from Zerostart; kit also includes hoses, clamps, etc. For the price they are a bargain.
Installing a coolant heater on a MKIV tdi is not the same as installing one on most other cars. Installing a generic heater, even a Zerostart, is going to be a PITA as compared to the Frostheater, and it may not perform nearly as well.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 16:45   #6
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thank you for completely true and useful information! i bet it gets mighty cold in Maine, and these come in very useful. do you use one of these kits yourself? what do you think about the power draw on one of these units, and could it be possible to run it on the car battery, provided some discharge guard was installed...
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Old October 30th, 2011, 10:06   #7
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Impossible to run on the battery. The physical limitation of the battery storage device could not sustain a consistent flow of current to heat the engine and then start the car.

The ONLY way to operate a coolant heater is with a 120V 15A outlet.
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I don't have one, yet. I've lived off the grid since I purchased the Golf in '06 till now. Running a coolant heater is way down the list of priorities on what my amp/hours of power get allocated to. I'm going to install one this fall though. I can plug in at work and am spending about .5 the week at a location on the grid.
I wouldn't think twice about what to buy however for a MKIV, Frostheater wins hands down.
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Impossible to run on the battery. The physical limitation of the battery storage device could not sustain a consistent flow of current to heat the engine and then start the car.

The ONLY way to operate a coolant heater is with a 120V 15A outlet.
Not 100% true "Webasto Heater" is ran off of the diesel and uses a little bit of battery to keep it running. Truckers use it and there is a few TDI's out there with them as well. But other then that your are correct. The Frost heater is more cost effective then the Webasto heater for buying unless you have no plug-ins anywhere.
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Not 100% true "Webasto Heater" is ran off of the diesel and uses a little bit of battery to keep it running. Truckers use it and there is a few TDI's out there with them as well. But other then that your are correct. The Frost heater is more cost effective then the Webasto heater for buying unless you have no plug-ins anywhere.
Espar makes similiar heaters as well, higher quality in fact (with a price to match). Both Webasto and Espar make various types and sizes of heaters heaters that we install in boats for central heat. Good stuff but spendy.
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Old October 31st, 2011, 16:41   #11
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I have a TDIHeater (by Frostheater) 1000W kit (part # HTR7 (2005.5-2006 TDI 5 spd only)). I've used it down to -40 (C or F, take your pick) when I'm a bit further north (North Bay or thereabouts). I don't need any more heat - 90C from startup, usually clear windows too. I have a timer, I turn it on 3 hrs (metric ) before I plan to leave.

If you want to avoid "cord dangle" and having to clean the plug of snow/mud, there is a classy looking addition you can do - the "Coolant Heater Lower Grill Outlet". See http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread...ht=frostheater for details. I finally got around to finishing mine - the epoxy is now curing on it. Not so easy on a Mk V as some earlier models, but still doable by an "all thumbs" workman.

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Not 100% true "Webasto Heater" is ran off of the diesel and uses a little bit of battery to keep it running. Truckers use it and there is a few TDI's out there with them as well. But other then that your are correct. The Frost heater is more cost effective then the Webasto heater for buying unless you have no plug-ins anywhere.
Well yes, but the OP is talking about the resistive type.
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I know, had to give you are hard time and let others know there is another option. But expensive and it can hurt the MPG as it is using fuel.
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I have a TDIHeater (by Frostheater) 1000W kit (part # HTR7 (2005.5-2006 TDI 5 spd only)). I've used it down to -40 (C or F, take your pick) when I'm a bit further north (North Bay or thereabouts). I don't need any more heat - 90C from startup, usually clear windows too. I have a timer, I turn it on 3 hrs (metric ) before I plan to leave.

If you want to avoid "cord dangle" and having to clean the plug of snow/mud, there is a classy looking addition you can do - the "Coolant Heater Lower Grill Outlet". See http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread...ht=frostheater for details. I finally got around to finishing mine - the epoxy is now curing on it. Not so easy on a Mk V as some earlier models, but still doable by an "all thumbs" workman.

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There is also a replacement grill piece that accepts a regular 3 prong plug as well if you don't want that fancy style of
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Edit: Just noticed that DIY one is for MKIV, I'm talking MKV.
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The frost heater is a zerostart heater with all the oddments needed to attach it to your car.

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