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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:17   #1
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Default How reliable is a 2011 or 2012 Jetta 2.0 gasser?

With used car values being at an all-time high, I have a chance to trade my subcompact 2009 Hyundai Accent for a slightly larger car. I can get a 2011 Jetta S for $17,265 that will get pretty much the same fuel economy as my Accent, have a little more room inside, and have higher crash safety scores.

The 2.0 is the only gasoline engine I am considering given the poor reliability and so-so fuel economy of the 2.5 I-5 engine. I know this engine makes only 115hp, so it leaves the performance of a Jetta somewhat underwhelming, but it's an economy car. I'm used to 110 horsepower from my Accent. This engine is old enough to belong in a museum instead of a new 2011 car, but does it have a good reputation for being robust and reliable?
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:24   #2
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This engine is old enough to belong in a museum instead of a new 2011 car, but does it have a good reputation for being robust and reliable?

You've summed it up nicely right there. It's ancient and is completely outgunned by anything else out there. Does it make the engine bad? No, certainly not. That old 2.sL0 has a pretty solid reputation. I had a MkIII Jetta w/5 spd. No issues ever, fuel economy seemed to hover right around 30mpg, city or highway. It's just that the engine has sort of an argricultural feel to it...almost like it should be in a Subaru.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:42   #3
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You've summed it up nicely right there. It's ancient and is completely outgunned by anything else out there. Does it make the engine bad? No, certainly not. That old 2.sL0 has a pretty solid reputation. I had a MkIII Jetta w/5 spd. No issues ever, fuel economy seemed to hover right around 30mpg, city or highway. It's just that the engine has sort of an argricultural feel to it...almost like it should be in a Subaru.
A few reviewers have had slight struggles getting VW to provide S base trim cars to them to review. It's as if VW is embarrassed they had to cost-cut so much that they stuck a boat-anchor 2.slow engine under the hood to get under the $17,000 base price point. SOHC 8v engine? Next I suppose I'll find out the fuel injection is still BATCH FIRED . . .

At any rate, I don't care about the lack of horsepower. Another big question - this engine used to have a timing belt in previous cars, right? The VW specifications page says it now comes with a timing chain.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:51   #4
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Next I suppose I'll find out the fuel injection is still BATCH FIRED . . .

Ohhh, wait. This is the car they've fitted with rear drum brakes, isn't it? For me, that instantly disqualifies the vehicle from consideration. There are just too many other modern choices out there at this price point.
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Ohhh, wait. This is the car they've fitted with rear drum brakes, isn't it?
Yes, rear drum brakes. VW states that with 90% of the stopping done by front brakes that no one driving will know the difference. I don't care as my current car has rear drum brakes. Still, I couldn't figure out what VW saves by using drums in the rear. When ordering batches of parts to make something like 250,000 or more cars a year, what is the incremental part cost savings of a single set of rear drum brakes when compared to discs? It has got to be something like a $2 savings per car . . .
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Old June 28th, 2011, 13:05   #6
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Chiming in to agree with the fact that drums/discs on the back of a FWD econo car don't make a damn bit of difference.
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Yes, rear drum brakes. VW states that with 90% of the stopping done by front brakes that no one driving will know the difference. I don't care as my current car has rear drum brakes. Still, I couldn't figure out what VW saves by using drums in the rear. When ordering batches of parts to make something like 250,000 or more cars a year, what is the incremental part cost savings of a single set of rear drum brakes when compared to discs? It has got to be something like a $2 savings per car . . .

Yeah, that's my perspective too.

Anyhow, that would instantly disqualify the car. It's so friggin' archaic and I hate working on drum brakes.
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Anyhow, that would instantly disqualify the car. It's so friggin' archaic and I hate working on drum brakes.
I will never work on the brakes. There are enough shops near me with rates low enough. If I have problems or parts wear out, brake jobs for drums can be had for under $100 with parts included in that cost or not much more than that.
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Aren't you going to look at any other cars?
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Aren't you going to look at any other cars?
I have looked a bit, but don't like what I see from other manufacturers in similar models.

I checked out a Mitsubishi Galant because the local dealership is offering 120% of KBB "Good" value for trade-ins, but the base price of Galants has gone up a bit from the psychological $20,000 price point that mid-sized sedans are at. And the Galant has not offered a manual transmission for quite some time.

Mitsubishi faces an uncertain future in the USA. MMNA exists solely to be a tax write-off for Mitsubishi-UFJ (largest bank in Japan). Mitsubishi gets to act as the owner and supplier for MMNA, which enables them to use all kinds of accounting tricks for tax write-offs. As soon as these tax write-offs become marginal or non-existent, MMNA will exit the auto business in the USA.
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What about a Mazda3?

Killer car outside of the cartoonish front bumper.
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I will check out a Mazda3 on Thursday when I get a chance.
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I will check out a Mazda3 on Thursday when I get a chance.
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my accountant has 2 new 2slos....loves em....200 bucks per month lease in canada
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Old June 29th, 2011, 19:30   #15
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A 2.0 Mk6 jetta will be faster than a 2.0 mk4 jetta... the mk6 is lighter. I drove a TDI, and thought it was a nice driving car.

Even the 2.0 is SPFI, and is drive by wire

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