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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old May 15th, 2011, 15:41   #1
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Default Beetle engine won't turn over.

I have a 2000 Beetle with 82k. I did an intake clean, EGR/Cooler delete. I also replaced the VNT-15 actuator. Took the car out for a test drive. It finally has some power. Maybe went a mile and it shut down. I coasted to my driveway. It now won't even crank over. The dash lights and glow plug light comes on, but the starter won't crank. What did I do to my wifes Beetle??
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Old May 15th, 2011, 16:00   #2
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Good question How's the oil level? can you turn the engine over by hand? If it's a manual you could jack up one of the drive wheels and put the car in 5th and try it that way. Was there any noise before it shut down? Have you checked all the fuses?
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Old May 16th, 2011, 09:14   #3
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I have a 2000 Beetle with 82k. I did an intake clean, EGR/Cooler delete. I also replaced the VNT-15 actuator. Took the car out for a test drive. It finally has some power. Maybe went a mile and it shut down. I coasted to my driveway. It now won't even crank over. The dash lights and glow plug light comes on, but the starter won't crank. What did I do to my wifes Beetle??
What's the TB history on the Beetle?? Please don't say it was the original!!
Don't try cranking it over any more until you determine what's wrong. Remove passenger front wheel and try to carefully rotate engine by the crankshaft pulley bolt. If you come to sudden resistance while turning clockwise-stop.
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Old May 17th, 2011, 04:48   #4
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I checked the fuses visually and the oil level is fine. The belt appears to be intacked. I don't know the history prior to 65k. I'll try and move the crank today. It just shut down. No loud bang or nasty noises. Just heard the turbo winding down. The turbo seemed to be working for the first time in along time. The VNT was froze.
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I checked the fuses visually and the oil level is fine. The belt appears to be intacked. I don't know the history prior to 65k. I'll try and move the crank today. It just shut down. No loud bang or nasty noises. Just heard the turbo winding down. The turbo seemed to be working for the first time in along time. The VNT was froze.
So you don't know if its the original TB, or if it was changed before 65K??
If you don't/didn't know for sure-it gets changed for sure. Push down real firmly on the belt. Should not deflect at all.
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Old May 17th, 2011, 07:18   #6
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Belt deflects and has some crazing. It needs to be changed. Just put a socket on the crank. It does not turn under enough pressure to move the engine in the mounts. How can this be locked up??
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Belt deflects and has some crazing. It needs to be changed. Just put a socket on the crank. It does not turn under enough pressure to move the engine in the mounts. How can this be locked up??
It needed to be changed before now.
Piston is touching a valve. If the belt has deflection, tensioner probably failed and timing has slipped. Head needs to come off and repaired.
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Thanks Jettawreck. The timing belt as far as I can see hass all it's teeth. The other thought was I loosened up apiece of carbon/soot when I cleaned the intake. When I got on the highway and shifted at higher rpms. The turbo finaly working blew it in deeper.
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Thanks Jettawreck. The timing belt as far as I can see hass all it's teeth. The other thought was I loosened up apiece of carbon/soot when I cleaned the intake. When I got on the highway and shifted at higher rpms. The turbo finaly working blew it in deeper.
Bingo!! Valve hanging open due to carbon blockage is first guess.
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That's got to be a mighty tough chunk of carbon to stop a spinning engine.

have you tried rotating the engine in both directions from the crank bolt? No motion?
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Was told clockwise only on the crank. I think the belt jumped a tooth or 2. Being a little loose and a good turbo pulled it. I will pull the valve cover next. Hopefully it was a soft landing.
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You know, this is like the third person this week who ran their timing belt to long, even if that is not the problem here. What the Government should do is require anyone who buys/owns a car with a timing belt, be required to take random drug tests as long as they own the car. It is beyond stupid to drive a car after the recommended TB change time/milege. One of the reasons we don't get the 65 mpg cars here that are in Europe, we are to stupid to own them. HA-HA
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Was told clockwise only on the crank. I think the belt jumped a tooth or 2. Being a little loose and a good turbo pulled it. I will pull the valve cover next. Hopefully it was a soft landing.
If you cann't turn it over it cann't be that "soft".
Whenever there is valve contact, the head comes off and gets some (depends on how many) new valves and a set of lifters-maybe a cam.
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Searcherman(TDI's none) likes to hear himself talk I guess. No constructive info from him. I was told belt was done before 60k. so much for trust. I will be taking off the head tonight.

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Searcherman likes to hear himself talk I guess. No constructive info from him. I was told belt was done before 60k. so much for trust. I will be taking off the head tonight.
Unfortunately, its one of those things that if you don't have 100% proof, you have it done/re-done so you do know. Trusting ends up costing.
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