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March 22nd, 2011, 10:19
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grocery getter
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Montclair, Southern California
Fuel Economy: 39 MPG mixed @75MPH
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B4 1Z GTB2056VK Whitbread Build with dyno
Thanks to Biochoppers, VWMikel@TDTuning, Boraparts, IDparts, Franko6, Athreetdi, shortysclimbin, NoJoke, im570rm, rub87, Whitbread, and Mark@MaloneTuning
Montclair, CA 12/1/2012
226whp/380ft-lbs
Montclair, CA 5/14/2012
203whp/320ft-lbs
Las Vegas, NV 4/21/2012
205whp 344ft-lbs
Montclair, CA 12/14/2011
194whp 319ft-lbs
194whp 290ft-lbs on the conservative Superflow(or actual whp as some people say).
ohio
Bad dyno runs from the GTG
194 dyno run
dyno run gauges look at that tune!
last dyno run
-Torque steer is real, oh yes I will be learning how to drive again from what Matt says.
-Tires break loose 1st 2nd 3rd and maybe 4th.
-Car doesn't smoke unless you go wot at 1800rpms, and then it clears up as it spools. Smoke on the dyno was heatsoaked at 140*F IAT and the turbo still cleared it up.
-Boost is 28psi and spools up at 2000rpms. Go GTB!
-EMPs will go 4psi higher than max boost at most and be 1:1 for the most part. The turbine is the restriction once the rpms are up past 4500.
-EGTs are maxing out at 1350*F. Room for fuel and the lift pump
-Still breaking in all the parts, but Matt was getting 41mpg on break-in oil I believe.
-Mark's tune is doing a great job of keeping the power up, check those gauges.
Comparable dyno
This is loudspl's old dyno 1856 with R520's and 11mm pump so similar fueling and pretty similar engine other than being an ALH. 164whp 273 ft-lbs. I think Eric's got sick fuel going into it now and puts down 174 on the same dyno.
Why did I send it to Ohio?
Not many TDI gurus in Los Angeles. Harvieux is great but wasn't interested in the modded beast, and I had the jeep turbo on there already. Didn't want to use VWSpecialties, so I looked at my options and thought of going to Fixumhaus because it was the next closest who would do this specific build. But instead, I went to who I knew. Whitbread Innovations. Matt's been feeding the mod hunger by even providing me the option for the gt2056v on the b4. Matt could fabricate, and fit, and build, and fix and make the beast the way I wanted. Mainly, I could trust Matt. So it cost me almost $1000 just to send it to Matt. I'm in Los Angeles and sent my car 2500 miles! That's how dedicated I am to these TDI's!
I will say this about Matt. As a fairly not knowledgeable car guy, Matt has been the best to work with. I ask some really stupid questions, and ask for crazy things but Matt never, not once, treated me like I was an idiot. That goes pretty far with me when it comes to where I spend my money. He also never suggested things that I didn't need, but made sure it was the best setup. I worked fairly hard to get enough for this build. Catering a lot of weddings and dinner parties to make this happen. You all know Matt knows his stuff, and I'm more than thankful to drive a car like this. All my gratitude to Matt Whitbread. Cheers!
So here is the Whitbread build. Everything was custom from Matt unless stated.
Malone Tuning
1Z engine
80mm ASV pistons
Rosten Rods
Ported head
HD valve dual springs from Shortysclimbin
Eurospec Engine Girdle
ARP2000 Headstuds
Colt Cam Stage 2
11mm VW Reman Pump
Bosch764's flowing some great numbers! Thanks Frank!
GTB2056VK from Audi Q7, custom comp housing and vacuum actuator
4-1 Exhaust manifold
Custom Intake Manifold
2" IC Piping
Custom 3" Turbo Inlet Pipe
Crankcase Breather to Exhaust
Cat Filter with thermo t delete
BFI Stealth Poly Motor Mounts
2.5" Downpipe and Turboback Exhaust with Dual Exit Tips (Moroso Muffler, with optional cat vbands)
02A Transmission with 02J shifter conversion
Peloquin LSD
SBC Stage 3 Clutch
.658 5th gear turning 2200 rpms at 75mph.
Jeremy
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226whp 380 ft-lbs Whitbread Ported Head/Header/Intake /2" IC Pipes/ 2.5" Dual Exit Exhaust/GTB2056VK, 80mm ASV pistons, Rosten Rods, Block Girdle, Colt Cam Stg2, 2x Valve Springs, 11mm pump, Fuellabs Lift Pump, DBW'd Race520's, CCV to Exhaust, blackholenoisesilentz DC IV Clutch, Peloquin LSD?, .681 5th, Koni Reds, Neuspeed 28mm RSB/Sport Springs, Porsche 7 Slots 30/40mm "16PSI@2000 34PSI@2700 380ft-lbs@2700 226whp@3500
Last edited by kooyajerms; December 5th, 2012 at 17:48.
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March 22nd, 2011, 10:19
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grocery getter
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Montclair, Southern California
Fuel Economy: 39 MPG mixed @75MPH
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Pictures
What I bought
The original B4 bought in April of 2008, Daytona Beach Florida and driven back to Los Angeles.
How it was modded last year
gta2056v
Why did I do the build?
Engine Runaway. The reason for a full engine bay update.
Longblock with accessories. Shiny new pump =)
engine bay
Turbo
modified comp outlet on GTB2056VK with one of the first Whitbread intake manifolds, pre-hype!
Maf Delete Turbo Inlet Pipe
4-1 header with emp and egt bungs
Custom Vacuum Actuator ;D
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226whp 380 ft-lbs Whitbread Ported Head/Header/Intake /2" IC Pipes/ 2.5" Dual Exit Exhaust/GTB2056VK, 80mm ASV pistons, Rosten Rods, Block Girdle, Colt Cam Stg2, 2x Valve Springs, 11mm pump, Fuellabs Lift Pump, DBW'd Race520's, CCV to Exhaust, blackholenoisesilentz DC IV Clutch, Peloquin LSD?, .681 5th, Koni Reds, Neuspeed 28mm RSB/Sport Springs, Porsche 7 Slots 30/40mm "16PSI@2000 34PSI@2700 380ft-lbs@2700 226whp@3500
Last edited by kooyajerms; March 28th, 2011 at 17:06.
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March 22nd, 2011, 10:20
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grocery getter
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Montclair, Southern California
Fuel Economy: 39 MPG mixed @75MPH
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Downpipe to the flex over the rear beam
Matt's favorite dual exit exhaust
My old same side FMIC with 2" IC pipes from Whitbread. Matt's special sillicone couplers and tclamps that never pop off. Woot 28psi!
2" IC pipe behind the battery
2" inlet to custom intake and turbo outlet pipes
We did the 02J shifter conversion Took Matt some time, but the shifting is nice and tight. Hopefully even better than the DG short shifter that was original on the 02A. Shifting is even a bit short, without any mods. Matt was surprised, and didn't need to modify it.
Motor Mounts
BFI Stealth Kit 50a shore hardness poly motor mounts.
We replaced front and back and left the transmission mount stock oem.
Wish I didn't have to go Poly but the engine was very angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJZ4clV7Y8. Sits nice and tight now. There is some vibration, but oh well, had to do it.
Later additions
Changed the wheels to some Porsche seven slots
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...&postcount=325
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...&postcount=368
Isspro gauges
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...&postcount=363
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226whp 380 ft-lbs Whitbread Ported Head/Header/Intake /2" IC Pipes/ 2.5" Dual Exit Exhaust/GTB2056VK, 80mm ASV pistons, Rosten Rods, Block Girdle, Colt Cam Stg2, 2x Valve Springs, 11mm pump, Fuellabs Lift Pump, DBW'd Race520's, CCV to Exhaust, blackholenoisesilentz DC IV Clutch, Peloquin LSD?, .681 5th, Koni Reds, Neuspeed 28mm RSB/Sport Springs, Porsche 7 Slots 30/40mm "16PSI@2000 34PSI@2700 380ft-lbs@2700 226whp@3500
Last edited by kooyajerms; December 12th, 2011 at 14:55.
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March 22nd, 2011, 10:41
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: planet Earth
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Wow, what a beast! I'll drive down to SoCal just to check it out! Hopefully you'll make it up here for our Fall BayFest on September 24th and 25th. Nice build indeed ...
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March 22nd, 2011, 10:52
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Millersport, Ohio
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Congratulations Jeremy & Matt. lots of hard work has paid off!
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:06
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Niles, Ohio
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WOOOHOOOOO!!! awesome dude!
that custom actuater is rather interesting haha
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424,000 miles and counting, On the frame that is (as of sold date)
Gt2256v 3 in downpipe and vibrant resonator, 3in OMI and FMIC all by Whitbread, Titan 520's, Port & Polished Head courtesy Franko6, RC 6, 11mm IP, PD LiftPump. Rosten Rods, PD150 Pistons, Oil Cooler, Fuel Cooler, Diablo W/M Kit,DC III clutch, Built 5 speed with LSD
Last edited by Keebler145; March 22nd, 2011 at 11:13.
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:13
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Louisville, ky
Fuel Economy: 63.25mpg max
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Very impressive guys. Stock valves? Why no lift pump yet, couldn't get a fuellab one in time?
Would love to see numbers on the intake manifold, before and after. I have heard rumors about it too.
Last edited by Nash_TDI; March 22nd, 2011 at 11:16.
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:19
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grocery getter
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Montclair, Southern California
Fuel Economy: 39 MPG mixed @75MPH
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Growler- Thanks Aaron, it's been a wild trip, still gotta pick it up!
Newtdi- Thanks Andrew, now you know why I couldn't make the gtg.
Keebler145- Yeah, i'll keep salt off that actuator rod and it should last me a while, because no one else is gonna make that one =p.
Nash TDI-Fuel lab got sent yesterday, and stock valves, but the stronger springs.
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226whp 380 ft-lbs Whitbread Ported Head/Header/Intake /2" IC Pipes/ 2.5" Dual Exit Exhaust/GTB2056VK, 80mm ASV pistons, Rosten Rods, Block Girdle, Colt Cam Stg2, 2x Valve Springs, 11mm pump, Fuellabs Lift Pump, DBW'd Race520's, CCV to Exhaust, blackholenoisesilentz DC IV Clutch, Peloquin LSD?, .681 5th, Koni Reds, Neuspeed 28mm RSB/Sport Springs, Porsche 7 Slots 30/40mm "16PSI@2000 34PSI@2700 380ft-lbs@2700 226whp@3500
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:24
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: South of Boston
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Looks great, nice clean install. No surprise there. What kind of dyno was it? Can't tell from the video.
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:31
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grocery getter
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Montclair, Southern California
Fuel Economy: 39 MPG mixed @75MPH
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A superflow eddy current I believe.
If chippednotbroken sees this, my car was having very similiar symptoms as his build. emps were rising, egts went up an extra 100 degrees, boost was lagging. Put the muffler on instead, and it went back to being happy... Don't know what it is with big turbos and the cats.
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226whp 380 ft-lbs Whitbread Ported Head/Header/Intake /2" IC Pipes/ 2.5" Dual Exit Exhaust/GTB2056VK, 80mm ASV pistons, Rosten Rods, Block Girdle, Colt Cam Stg2, 2x Valve Springs, 11mm pump, Fuellabs Lift Pump, DBW'd Race520's, CCV to Exhaust, blackholenoisesilentz DC IV Clutch, Peloquin LSD?, .681 5th, Koni Reds, Neuspeed 28mm RSB/Sport Springs, Porsche 7 Slots 30/40mm "16PSI@2000 34PSI@2700 380ft-lbs@2700 226whp@3500
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March 22nd, 2011, 11:33
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Belgium
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looking good.. any oinfo about smoke or afr, dyno with one big roll or two small ones?
I'm trying to make a guess about the turbo performance =)
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Dyno'd area, Old VNT20 setup dyno'd 192whp
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March 22nd, 2011, 12:20
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Théoricien
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pas assez loin pour vider ma tank!
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Very good number and beautifull setup!!!
I very happy to see this on 1Z, you make in real my evaluation i think to do on my AHU at top of tunning (Aprox 190-195Whp at 30psi on my GTB2056VL)
Thumb Up!
Dieseleux
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March 22nd, 2011, 12:32
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: planet Earth
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kooyajerms
Newtdi- Thanks Andrew, now you know why I couldn't make the gtg.
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... now you know that there is a racing session at Infineon Raceway on Saturday the 24th for our GTG! You better be there with your white beast  ! Ia m observing only since my clutch is slipping  !
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March 22nd, 2011, 12:43
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Versailles, Kentucky
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Very nice! Holler when you plan to fly in. We'll try to come get you and run you up to Lima.
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March 22nd, 2011, 12:52
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Blaine, Washington and Vancouver, British Columbia
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194whp is great considering the 764s and no smoke @ 28 PSI. Another car did 164whp on the same dyno with a 1856 turbo @ same boost (IIRC), R520 nozzles, and a very aggressive tune (lots of smoke). This is a testament to the efficiency of kooyajerm's car.
Look forward to bigger nozzles and we can cut back the off-boost smoke at ~1800 RPM WOT. Kudos to Whitbread and others who made this possible!!  You need to move to B.C. so I can go for a ride
Last edited by Mark@MaloneTuning; March 22nd, 2011 at 14:28.
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