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February 9th, 2012, 10:07
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: England
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Any info on Shell V-Power sold in the UK ?
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February 12th, 2012, 19:01
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Fuel Economy: '01 33-39; '00 40-53
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I fill up at Shell and my mileage is consistent. Hess and Mobil seem to hurt my mileage. I instantly lose up to 8mpg on Hess and my in-laws 2010 DSG got 31mpg on Mobil...
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February 12th, 2012, 20:37
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#33
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Milwaukee
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heres a link thats helpful
http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...s-gas-stations
I always add into my tank 5.3 fl/oz of the Gray bottle of Diesel Kleen to boost the cetane up a little more too. 5.3 was the math I figured how on much is in the tank.
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February 13th, 2012, 16:49
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: aurora, ontario, canada
Fuel Economy: Last checked- 4.35L/100km combined.
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Both my 03 golf, and our 2010 a3 get the best mileage with Husky Dieselmax, + 3oz Lubecorp premium diesel plus. Petrocan, esso and shell never give the same mileage. Also use it for the extra lubricity additive package with Husky.
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February 16th, 2012, 09:32
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ann Arbor,Mi
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Anyone with a CR tdi be careful with some BP stations.
My 3 local BP stations use 25% bio in the summer blend. From what I've read it could cause fuel pump issues on 09+ tdi's.
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February 16th, 2012, 09:41
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: A mile high
Fuel Economy: 45mpg on B100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charrigan
Anyone with a CR tdi be careful with some BP stations.
My 3 local BP stations use 25% bio in the summer blend. From what I've read it could cause fuel pump issues on 09+ tdi's.
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I've heard differently, on this site. Excess biodiesel can dilute the engine oil, but the lubricity could help the CR pump.
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"We think B20 is for suckers" - N. Cowell, Denver B100
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February 17th, 2012, 17:42
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: aurora, ontario, canada
Fuel Economy: Last checked- 4.35L/100km combined.
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Downside- Long term use will damage the dpf system. Upside-increase the life of the hpfp.- catch 22
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February 18th, 2012, 20:16
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Arlington, VA
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...and he did say "SOME" BP stations. I haven't seen bio in the DC area BP/Amoco stations.
I daresay it won't be too long before we start reading about DPF issues, as engines start to pass the 100k mile mark. Then we can all analyze the various combinations of bio/additives that have been tried.
Hopefully, we'll find the part to be over-engineered...
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'09 JSW TDI DSG, built 11/08, Reflex Silver, Anthracite vinyl, FrostHeater installed at 800miles Purchased Jan 18, 2009
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March 3rd, 2012, 18:52
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#39
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charrigan
Anyone with a CR tdi be careful with some BP stations.
My 3 local BP stations use 25% bio in the summer blend. From what I've read it could cause fuel pump issues on 09+ tdi's.
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Contacted BP on a mis-labled pump (ethanol sticker) and asked about Cetane and bio-diesel content. Here is the reply; interestingly according to this person any fuel over B5 must be labeled per the FTC.
Hello Gerry,
We very much appreciate you bringing this matter to our attention. I elevated it to the Jobber Sales Manager and Brand Manager.
I have been informed the label was removed by COB yesterday.
Some general information you might be interested in:
- Dispenser labeling requirements vary by state. Some having very detailed requirements while other have almost none. I don't believe OH has any particular labeling requirements for bio-diesel. However the FTC requires all diesel fuel containing >5% biodiesel to be labeled. the example below covers 6-20%, no label is required for 5% or less.
- I have attached a Product Information sheet for BP Diesel along a couple of Technical Bulletins which you may find of interest.
Thanks again for you interest in BP fuels.
Mark Matthews
Technical Service Engineer
BP, Global Fuels Technology
150 W. Warrenville Rd.
Naperville, IL 60563, MC J-8
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March 7th, 2012, 11:58
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Roseville, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tditom
Not true. For example, BP has a refinery in Whiting, IN that only produces their Premium Diesel products (per the owner of a station I used to frequent in MI). As far as I know, the refining process is one way of upping the cetane.
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Uhhhhh... Look up how oil is refined. You don't grab a tank of Oil and say "I'm only going to make gas out of it"). Basically Crude contains all the different types of fuels, which have different boiling points. They distill the crude, and capture the different types of fuel from it. IE: At the lower temps you get gas, that is captured, and stored into tank as gas, at a higher temp you get diesel and fuel oil, again that's captured, you then heat it up more and you get lube oil and so on.
Great example of the process
http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...-refining4.htm
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March 7th, 2012, 12:11
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: GA
Fuel Economy: 16/21 in the Dmax
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be careful of high turnover truck stops. a lot of time these stations have some of the lowest quality fuel. a 14 liter cummins might not mind some extra water and contaminants, but our much smaller and more refined fuel systems are much more sensitive.
2 of the 3 tanks of bad fuel I have gotten are from places where big rigs fill up
also avoid walmart/costco like the plague. I have seen pictures of tanks from there that are orange and there are large particles of asphaltenes floating in it
for the crappiness of north american diesel i recommend some aftermarket filtration. i run an adapter that allows me to use any filter for a certain CAT filter head. 3 micron absolute donaldson filters for $6.50, big improvement over 4 micron nominal and 35 dollar stocker
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March 11th, 2012, 23:17
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Saint Paul (ex-San Diego)
Fuel Economy: 52/41/36 (430k miles)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxkxx
My local BP station sell Biodiesel. I think the label show B20. Is that safe fuel to use in 2010 TDI?
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You may need to reduce your oil change interval, as CR TDIs with the diesel particulate filter could be at risk from fuel contamination of the crankcase oil.
B02-B05 should be reasonably safe. But VW warns against anything over B05 in the common rail TDIs.
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March 12th, 2012, 10:17
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: alberta
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I have never seen diesel at a costco...ever
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March 18th, 2012, 21:34
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Aspen CO
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d-man,
I was very pleasantly surprised to see that they've just started selling diesel at the Costco in Eagle CO. Cheaper than the surrounding area and i've had no problems with it although I haven't got my consumption worked out for that tank yet.
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March 23rd, 2012, 16:48
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: New Lyme, Ohio
Fuel Economy: 45.25 mpg City/Hwy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lddrew
be careful of high turnover truck stops. a lot of time these stations have some of the lowest quality fuel. a 14 liter cummins might not mind some extra water and contaminants, but our much smaller and more refined fuel systems are much more sensitive.
2 of the 3 tanks of bad fuel I have gotten are from places where big rigs fill up
also avoid walmart/costco like the plague. I have seen pictures of tanks from there that are orange and there are large particles of asphaltenes floating in it
for the crappiness of north american diesel i recommend some aftermarket filtration. i run an adapter that allows me to use any filter for a certain CAT filter head. 3 micron absolute donaldson filters for $6.50, big improvement over 4 micron nominal and 35 dollar stocker
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I have recently checked in with a locally/family owned fuel company about putting in my own tank so I do not have to deal with bad fuel issues. He also warned me about the truck stops. They are not in the market to sell you the best fuel. They buy the cheapest theycan find to make money. He also said the cetane is not like octane. Cetane only comes into play on start up and until the engine is up to temp. They sell regular and premium diesel. The difference in the two, premium has the additives regular does not. I am trying out their fuel now and I hope to have my tank soon.
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