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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:24   #1
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Exclamation Busted Oil Pan? Car Shut off during use, leaking oil badly!

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I am new to this forum and only slightly experienced as a mechanic as I normally service Supersport bikes and not cars. On one occasion about a week ago my mother lent me her 2004 Jetta TDI VW to head up to the college and then come back. I never hit any thing to screw up the bottom of the car however on my way down the car gave me horrible response in power, the RPM meter would never go above 2K RPM even with the gas pedal down to the floor. I didn't realize what the problem was until the oil light lit up and the car shut itself off only seconds later after it giving me no power (and i had already pulled over). I looked under the car and found that the plastic skid plate looks absolutely shredded. However I didn't think to much of it and thought perhaps it was just that the car is low on oil. After filling it with oil I looked at the torn skid plate and the oil was just pouring out of the hole. I have no idea what could have caused that. I want to get to the oil pan however I have no idea of how to go about doing it. Also is this even worth doing as I know some cars are almost impossibly to get to the oil pan (friend's Dodge Omni had to have its suspension removed).

If anyone could help me out I would be very grateful as taking it to a shop would be my last resort due to it absolutely destroying my funds however I will do it if there is no other way.

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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:31   #2
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Jon-
There are plenty of examples where the cast aluminum oil pan cracked due to impact. Many here use a skid plate to protect their pans and it is highly recommended. But that doesn't help you now, I'm afraid.

I don't believe you need to take drastic measures to replace the pan, but you will need a special sealant and you need to have very clean surfaces before using it.

I hope the engine didn't seize. Can you turn it via the crank bolt? How did the car get home after the incident?
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:33   #3
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IIRC, these engine DO NOT shut themselves down for low oil pressure. Sorry.

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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:34   #4
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I had AAA tow it home. Wow I hope it didn't Seize! The car will not turn over. It just makes a "click" in the engine and the lights dim then I just stop trying (thats with the key). I can get the surface clean no problem I'm used to working with that kind of situation and can you give me some info on this special sealant you speak of?

Thank you so much for the fast reply!

-Jon

EDIT: that was with the key

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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:37   #5
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Wow I hope it didn't Seize!
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The car will not turn over. It just makes a "click" in the engine and the lights dim then I just stop trying.
It seized.

If I were you, I'd look for a complete engine with turbo, because most likely, the entire engine is damaged, and the turbo, from a lack of lubrication.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:38   #6
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@bhtooefr - Great... What am I looking at to repair the engine? Or should I just dish out the cash and have a shop take it in?

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I edited my post... like I said, you're probably looking at a complete engine. You MIGHT be able to do a total rebuild on this one, depending on the extent of the damage, but a whole engine may well be cheaper.
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...The car will not turn over. It just makes a "click" in the engine and the lights dim then I just stop trying...
Sounds liked its seized . Catastrophic failure. You will almost certainly need a replacement engine.

Can you get the vehicle to user Harvieux? He is in Whittier, CA (I think). He would be best equipped to diagnose your situation and give you best alternatives.

Sorry for your misfortune.

To anyone else reading this, please get yourself a real skid plate if you haven't already.
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I would get ahold of bleachedbora to see if he can get you an engine.

I just checked his site and could only find ALH full engines, so he may have to find one for your PD.
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@ everyone - thanks for the fast diagnosis. =-(

@tditom - I could possibly get it there. Depends how much towing service is and whether it would be worth it or not if I'm looking for a completely new engine. This is worse than I ever thought although I had something in the back of my mind telling me this was bad.

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@puter - Is it cheaper just to buy a new car? lol....
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You should ask your mom if she hit anything AT ALL that might have punctured the oil pan as your insurance might cover the cost of a new engine. It may have been leaking slowly for a period of time...

Re-examine your own trip, are you sure you didn't hit anything??

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Harvieux's site: http://www.vwtdionly.com/default.asp?newused=5

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I did stop at Albertsons and accidentally parked up the curb a tad and immediately backed off.

Insurance might cover this? That would be a godsend. Also I am insured for that car if that matters much.

@tditom - thanks man.

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@puter - Is it cheaper just to buy a new car? lol....
ALH longblock is around $4000, so that would be cheaper:
http://shopping.boraparts.com/index....h=21_26_34_114

Don't know how much a PD engine is.
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